**Official** New Zealand v Australia

[Scallywag]

I might even agree with you, 'cause some of us are actually interested in umpiring standards and possible improvements to them.

There is nothing you can do about improving the standard of umpiring, that is controled by the umpires advisory board and they (rightly so) are not going to listen to you.

In local cricket I've deliberately asked spectators who complain about the umpiring to have a go at umpiring, its so funny watching them show how good real umpires are and I expect most of the posters that go on about the umpires here would be exactaly the same.

Unpires do the best job they can and people complaining will not make them perfect thats what you need to realise, the umpires just go out and do the best job they can. They dont make the rules and they dont decide how decisions are made.

 

[Slow Love™]

There is nothing you can do about improving the standard of umpiring, that is controled by the umpires advisory board and they (rightly so) are not going to listen to you.

In local cricket I've deliberately asked spectators who complain about the umpiring to have a go at umpiring, its so funny watching them show how good real umpires are and I expect most of the posters that go on about the umpires here would be exactaly the same.

Unpires do the best job they can and people complaining will not make them perfect thats what you need to realise, the umpires just go out and do the best job they can. They dont make the rules and they dont decide how decisions are made.

You missed my point - it's not that I presume I will be advising or influencing the ICC on who will be umpiring (or how) - it's just that my comments about umpiring at this forum are made in a genuine interest in accuracy, rather than being about proving that my team gets it tougher/easier when it comes to decisions (as you plan to).

None of the comments we make here about players or captaincy will influence the selectors about who they'll pick either - that doesn't stop any of us (INCLUDING YOU) from discussing or evaluating these things.

Furthermore, I'm sure that just about all of us would look like dills facing up to Brett Lee, or bowling to Michael Vaughan. That's not the point.

I just thought of something - in pointing out all the wrong or 50/50 decisions that go against Australia, will you be doing that without actually seeing them, like tonight? Because that seems fairly ridiculous to me.

 

[chaminda_00]

There is nothing you can do about improving the standard of umpiring, that is controled by the umpires advisory board and they (rightly so) are not going to listen to you.

In local cricket I've deliberately asked spectators who complain about the umpiring to have a go at umpiring, its so funny watching them show how good real umpires are and I expect most of the posters that go on about the umpires here would be exactaly the same.

Unpires do the best job they can and people complaining will not make them perfect thats what you need to realise, the umpires just go out and do the best job they can. They dont make the rules and they dont decide how decisions are made.

Most people that comment on umpiring are trying to discuss ways to improve the standard of umpiring not just put them down competely. I doubt i will ever see a match where the umpires make all correct decisions. But im sure their is ways the improve their accuarcy from 70% (or whatever) to 80%.

 

[Adamc]

Just looked at James Marshall's Cricinfo profile, then looked at Hamish Marshall's. The resemblance is remarkable, I thought initially that the same picture had been used for both players. Made more sense when I looked at their birthdates and realised they were twins.

Even their FC and List-A records are very similar:

Hamish Marshall
FC - 2146 runs @ 27.51, 1x100, 11x50
List-A - 2672 runs @ 28.42, 2x100, 19x50

James Marshall
FC - 3051 runs @ 27.73, 4x100, 17x50
List-A - 1748 runs @ 28.19, 1x100, 10x50

In fact, looking purely at domestic statistics, I see no logical reason why James Marshall hasn't been picked for NZ when Hamish has. Anyone care to enlighten me?

 

[Smudge]

Kaspa has Styris plumb but the umpire turns it down.

NZ getting help from the umpires.

Bonafide oxygen thief - do us all a favour and lock yourself in a garage.

 

[Fiery]

Just looked at James Marshall's Cricinfo profile, then looked at Hamish Marshall's. The resemblance is remarkable, I thought initially that the same picture had been used for both players. Made more sense when I looked at their birthdates and realised they were twins.

Even their FC and List-A records are very similar:

Hamish Marshall
FC - 2146 runs @ 27.51, 1x100, 11x50
List-A - 2672 runs @ 28.42, 2x100, 19x50

James Marshall
FC - 3051 runs @ 27.73, 4x100, 17x50
List-A - 1748 runs @ 28.19, 1x100, 10x50

In fact, looking purely at domestic statistics, I see no logical reason why James Marshall hasn't been picked for NZ when Hamish has. Anyone care to enlighten me?

There was a rumour at the time Hamish was picked that Sir Richard Hadlee had got them confused and picked the wrong one. James played a blinder in the State Shield (Domestic ODI comp) and the way Hamish has taken to international cricket like a duck to water there must be a strong case to get him in there too I would think. Double the humour in 20/20 games.

 

[Slow Love™]

Bonafide oxygen thief - do us all a favour and lock yourself in a garage.

Wait until you get to the part where Scallywag admits he didn't actually SEE any of these wrong decisions.

 

[benchmark00]

Bonafide oxygen thief - do us all a favour and lock yourself in a garage.

But to be fair to Scallywag, thats what it does sound like when some people say it about Australia, it gets a bit old and annoying, and he was just pointing that out...

 

[Loony BoB]

But to be fair to Scallywag, thats what it does sound like when some people say it about Australia, it gets a bit old and annoying, and he was just pointing that out...

But to be fair to everyone but Scallywag, believe it or not, people say that sort of stuff about countries besides Australia. He doesn't need to point out anything, especially when he hasn't seen the match.

 

[benchmark00]

But to be fair to everyone but Scallywag, believe it or not, people say that sort of stuff about countries besides Australia. He doesn't need to point out anything, especially when he hasn't seen the match.

You have a point, but you must admit he has a point too (although it can be argued that he cant comment because he didnt watch the game).... Im not pointing out you or voltman, you are not the offenders in this case, but there are others, i watched the game and i didnt think it was totally one sided all game, but a couple of people seem to think it was totally against nz, which, in my opinion, is erroneous

 

[Scallywag]

Most people that comment on umpiring are trying to discuss ways to improve the standard of umpiring not just put them down competely. I doubt i will ever see a match where the umpires make all correct decisions. But im sure their is ways the improve their accuarcy from 70% (or whatever) to 80%.

First you should improve your accuracy before commenting on the accuracy of others.

You have plucked a figure off the top of your head and claimed to know the accuracy of umpires, show some facts to back up your claim.

The people that anaylise umpires (not just watch the odd game like you) have found the umpires to be 90% accurate.

 

[Scallywag]

Why is it such a problem when I complain about the umpires decision against Australia.

Lets look at what the kiwi fans had to say.

Fiery "That was so plumb it's not funny! Embarrasing display by Bowden so far today."

"Now he wides him when it hit Ponting's pad! It would have bowled him if it didn't hit his pad. Billy is a national disgrace."


Fiery again "I think the wide was called out of spite. Hope they drop Bowden for the rest of the series."

"Foot in the air. Another bad call"

"That LB was out too. Our old mate Billy again"

that decision from Bowden costing New Zealand.

Blackcapfan "What's up with billy today? Sleeping with his eyes open?"




Oh let me guess these comments are in the interset of improving the umpiring its only a problem if its an Australian fan who complains.

 

[chaminda_00]

First you should improve your accuracy before commenting on the accuracy of others.

You have plucked a figure off the top of your head and claimed to know the accuracy of umpires, show some facts to back up your claim.

The people that anaylise umpires (not just watch the odd game like you) have found the umpires to be 90% accurate.

I wish umpires were 90% accurate but i doubt they are unless u take in wides and leg bye calls. Anyway atleast i watch the game and not count on the radio to tell me how good a umpire decision was. I sure most people would say that 70% is more accurate then 90%

 

[Scallywag]

Bonafide oxygen thief - do us all a favour and lock yourself in a garage.

Well some people deserve to have their oxygen stolen.

 

[chaminda_00]

Oh let me guess these comments are in the interset of improving the umpiring its only a problem if its an Australian fan who complains.

Do u think that people only complain about umpiring when a team plays Australia. If so wait for the India and Pakistan Series to start and we will see how bad people think umpires decsion are even though Australia aren't playing. You have all the right in the world to complain about umpiring decisions aganist Australia if u think they (as long as u watch the game and don't get ur comment of the radio), but if u do then don't have a go at others when they complain about umpiring decisions aganist other teams

 

[Scallywag]

I wish umpires were 90% accurate but i doubt they are unless u take in wides and leg bye calls. Anyway atleast i watch the game and not count on the radio to tell me how good a umpire decision was. I sure most people would say that 70% is more accurate then 90%

Where do you get your figure of 70% from. Have you asked most people or have you made that up aswell.

Can you point to a source for your accuracy.

You say I should not count on the radio but you make up figures and say most people but its all assumptions on you watching about 5% of cricket played.

 

[Scallywag]

Just to show how stupid your comment is chaminda.

In a test match forty wickets fall and you claim that 12 of those wickets in every game would be wrong.

Totally stupid comment.

 

[chaminda_00]

Where do you get your figure of 70% from. Have you asked most people or have you made that up aswell.

Can you point to a source for your accuracy.

You say I should not count on the radio but you make up figures and say most people but its all assumptions on you watching about 5% of cricket played.

Where did i ever say that 70% was a extact figure, it might be less it might be more. All i was trying to say that most people complain about umpire cus their is ways that they could improve the umpiring that they don't want to use. For example
- TV umpires look at front foot no balls: the the on field umpire consentrate more on the action zone.
- Use technology to look at LBWs, in terms, of where it pitches or hits the batsmen

 

[chaminda_00]

Just to show how stupid your comment is chaminda.

In a test match forty wickets fall and you claim that 12 of those wickets in every game would be wrong.

Totally stupid comment.

What about the decisions that were given not out, or no balls that weren't no balls that a bowler took a wicket. Their are allot more decsions that effect wickets (the accuracy of umpires) then just the 40 that were given out.

 

[Loony BoB]

Do u think that people only complain about umpiring when a team plays Australia. If so wait for the India and Pakistan Series to start and we will see how bad people think umpires decsion are even though Australia aren't playing. You have all the right in the world to complain about umpiring decisions aganist Australia if u think they (as long as u watch the game and don't get ur comment of the radio), but if u do then don't have a go at others when they complain about umpiring decisions aganist other teams

Totally agree.