***Official*** New Zealand in Zimbabwe & Zimbabwe/New Zealand/India ODI Tri-Series

[Nate]

Some mates were saying today that beside his figures, Bond bowled very well, lots of play and misses?

Confirmation?

 

[Blaze]

He had Ganguly in all sorts.. Didn't bowl as well as he could have to Virendar IMO

 

[SJS]

Some mates were saying today that beside his figures, Bond bowled very well, lots of play and misses?

Confirmation?

Ganguly was totally lost against him. He could have snicked any of more than half a dozen deliveries.

Sehwag had clearly been told to treat Bond with caution. So he did not try anything too flambouyant against him. I feel he could have bowled in to Ganguly's rib cage a bit. His second spell wasnt that good, I thought as his first.

I think Fleming may have given him another over or two at the start or brought him back for 2-3 overs when Kaif and Sehwag were playing.

Vettori was a revelation. His arm balls were beautifully bowled. I have never been a big fan of his bowling but he really bowled very well.

 

[Jono]

Would you say that this series has cemented his position at 3 in the order for a long time?

I hope so, but I'm not overly confident considering this is the Indian cricket team we're talking about. I can totally see Sachin coming back into the team resulting in Ganguly putting himself at 3. Kaif will probably fall to 4 then, and Dravid to 5. Now some say 3-4 isn't a big difference, but Dravid coming in at 5 is a bit too low for my liking.

Basically, when Sachin comes back (please hurry ) I see batting order troubles as long as Ganguly is in the team. That's hard for me to say because I've been a Ganguly fan for many many years and defended him on countless occasions on this board, but he's just woefully out of form. I don't see Ganguly being dropped though, so Yadav will probably go when Sachin returns unfortunately.

 

[Nate]

Good to hear, Bond is a champ. Sounds like he was buggered at the end but!

 

[Scaly piscine]

The Indian attack is in better condition than the NZ attack.

Heh, the same attack that gets consistently annihilated in finals?

 

[shaka]

only if NZ did not have Vettori or Bond.

 

[marc71178]

Heh, the same attack that gets consistently annihilated in finals?

At least they get to the finals...

 

[Steulen]

At least they get to the finals...

...of tri-series involving a minnow.

Hail India

 

[Sanz]

I disagree that it was close. IMO New Zealand would have chased down 300 or more after that start last night. The only reason it seemed close at the end is that after NZ's cracking start - high runrate with wickets in hand -they clearly just paced the innings after that.

I dont think so. These 'would have', 'could have' arguments are based on your assumption. India had a better start than NZ, they still ended up scoring only 276. NZ were genuinely finding it difficult to score against spinners. I wont blame the bowlers because even NZ bowlers were smacked by Indian batsmen.

Personally I think there is still quite a gap between these two sides in oneday cricket. Had Fleming not been so arrogant in the 2nd game by resting Bond and Vettori and Styris hadn't been so selfish in his quest for personal milestones, I think NZ could have won the 2nd game as well.

I dont think I have ever argued otherwise. NZ are definately the better side. They have couple of very good all rounders, good top order, good lower order and a better captain. That said, India can still beat NZ on their day and I dont agree with you on the outcome of the second NZ-IND ODI. It could have gone either way. Bond isn't going to take 6/14 in every game.

 

[Nate]

...of tri-series involving a minnow.

Hail India

 

[Sanz]

...of tri-series involving a minnow.

Hail India

How convenient ? World Cup, ICC trophy, TVS cup and so many others. I am sure only minnows played there.

 

[Deja moo]

...of tri-series involving a minnow.

Hail India

So 20 straight Final appearances, and all involved minnows ? I believe Marijuana is legal around your neck of the woods, but thats enough puffing for a while methinks.

 

[Legglancer]

So 20 straight Final appearances, and all involved minnows ? I believe Marijuana is legal around your neck of the woods, but thats enough puffing for a while methinks.

Brilliant !

 

[Steulen]

So 20 straight Final appearances, and all involved minnows ? I believe Marijuana is legal around your neck of the woods, but thats enough puffing for a while methinks.

Hah...no. Of course it's not only finals of the world minnow-bashing champs but to claim the Indian attack is doing well because they reach finals sounds like someone's on dried elephant dung given that the last two finals were hopeless losses after managing to keep the might of Bangladesh and Zimbabwe out.

 

[Deja moo]

Hah...no. Of course it's not only finals of the world minnow-bashing champs but to claim the Indian attack is doing well because they reach finals sounds like someone's on dried elephant dung given that the last two finals were hopeless losses after managing to keep the might of Bangladesh and Zimbabwe out.

Bangladesh ? You mean how Australia made the final of the Natwest Series only coz Bangladesh happened to be the third team ?

And its pretty much an accepted fact that our attack is passable until we reach the final, and then it becomes hopeless. Think WC2003, this tri series, CT2002, VB series. I dont see why 20 straight finals is something to be dismissed. Okay, we lost pretty much all of them, but atleast we make it to the final hurdle. I dont think even Australia have managed 20 in a row, atleast when those 20 include 2 Champion trophy tournaments and 1 World Cup.

 

[Steulen]

First of all, Australia has nothing to do with it.

Second of all, you didn't make the final of the Videocon Cup 2004 in Amsterdam, and I don't think you've played another 20 tournaments since then. So it's not 20 straight finals anyway.

Third, the thing is a number of those 20 finals you did make were in tri-series which involved just 2 serious teams and one minnow. Like the Indian Oil tri-series, and the Videocon Cup 2005.

I can make finals too if it's between me and Zimmer Frame CC. Possibly...

 

[vic_orthdox]

First of all, Australia has nothing to do with it.

Second of all, you didn't make the final of the Videocon Cup 2004 in Amsterdam, and I don't think you've played another 20 tournaments since then. So it's not 20 straight finals anyway.

Third, the thing is a number of those 20 finals you did make were in tri-series which involved just 2 serious teams and one minnow. Like the Indian Oil tri-series, and the Videocon Cup 2005.

I can make finals too if it's between me and Zimmer Frame CC. Possibly...

I believe you just contradicted yourself

 

[Steulen]

I believe you just contradicted yourself

 

[Deja moo]

First of all, Australia has nothing to do with it.

Second of all, you didn't make the final of the Videocon Cup 2004 in Amsterdam, and I don't think you've played another 20 tournaments since then. So it's not 20 straight finals anyway.

Third, the thing is a number of those 20 finals you did make were in tri-series which involved just 2 serious teams and one minnow. Like the Indian Oil tri-series, and the Videocon Cup 2005.

I can make finals too if it's between me and Zimmer Frame CC. Possibly...

Ah, fair enough. Forgot about that one. Serves me right to trust the TOI. Anyway, 20 out of 21 isnt bad either . Remove the minnows, and you'd still be left with around 15 I reckon. The Champions Trophy 2000 was when they started counting.