***Official*** New Zealand in the West Indies 2014

[Prince EWS]

I can see merit in what hendrix is saying (although I do disagree) but the biggest farce here is you, WW, suggesting the umpires are embroidered in a conspiracy against the West Indies. It completely discredits literally every single other thing you post on this forum and I have absolutely no time for it. You have no idea how ridiculous you sound, honestly.

As I said the last time this came up, umpires do get decisions wrong, and sometimes over the course of a match or a series that will hurt one team more than the other. It's perfectly okay to make the argument that a team was unlucky/lucky because of umpiring errors. It would be okay for you to suggest that the umpire made an error of judgement on the McCullum decision. However, you're not doing this; you're legitimately trying to make the case that the umpires deliberately try to put one team at a disadvantage, in a worldwide conspiracy that would surely have to be discussed at secret meetings.

You offer no motive or real evidence, and in a stunning coincidence, the team umpires of the world have chosen to play this cruel trick in is the one you happen to support! Apparently it's more likely that an entire panel of umpires with no vested in interests in any of the Tests they umpire have all conspired to screw your team over than it is you have a perfectly natural bias when you watch your team play.

It's absolutely absurd to suggest that one batsman would've been given out in the exact same set of circumstances by a neutral umpire whereas another wasn't purely because of which team they happen to play for - over and over again, by various different umpires, all against the one side. It's beyond parody; it's a complete joke and you should be embarrassed for ever even considering it.

 

[WindieWeathers]

I can see merit in what hendrix is saying (although I do disagree) but the biggest farce here is you, WW, suggesting the umpires are embroidered in a conspiracy against the West Indies. It completes discredits literally every single other thing you post on this forum and I have absolutely no time for it. You have no idea how ridiculous you sound, honestly.

As I said the last time this came up, umpires do get decisions wrong, and sometimes over the course of a match or a series that will hurt one team more than the other. It's perfectly okay to make the argument that a team was unlucky/lucky because of umpiring errors. It would be okay for you to suggest that the umpire made an error of judgement on the McCullum decision. However, you're not doing this; you're legitimately trying to make the case that the umpires deliberately try to put one team at a disadvantage, in a worldwide conspiracy that would surely have to be discussed at secret meetings.

You offer no motive or real evidence, and in a stunning coincidence, the team umpires of the world have chosen to play this cruel trick in is the one you happen to support! Apparently it's more likely that an entire panel of umpires with no vested in interests in any of the Tests they umpire have all conspired to screw your team over than it is you have a perfectly natural bias when you watch your team play.

It's absolutely absurd to suggest that one batsman would've been given out in the exact same set of circumstances by a neutral umpire whereas another wasn't purely because of which team they happen to play for - over and over again, by various different umpires, all against the one side. It's beyond parody; it's a complete joke and you should be embarrassed for ever even considering it.

Yes Prince...because the Pujara incident and Jerome Taylor's foot being behind the line wasn't as clear as day right? you can think what you like...a number of decisions recently are constantly going against WI and i'm entitled to say it if that's what i feel...i'm not begging anyone to agree with me...not you, not anyone.

Furthermore i'd appreciate it if the mods done something about people being openly abusive as shown above.

 

[Prince EWS]

Yes Prince...because the Pujara incident and Jerome Taylor's foot being behind the line wasn't as clear as day right? you can think what you like...a number of decisions recently are constantly going against WI and i'm entitled to say it if that's what i feel

Of course you are. Just as I'm entitled to tell you I think it's complete rubbish and that it's undermining everything else you say. I'm legitimately embarrassed for you and I'll struggle to take you seriously on much going forward.

 

[Howsie]

sure, but rather than making the adjustment (i.e. get the pad out of the way so that you can hit it with the bat) he continued to play down the same line and used his pad. The reason he did that is because getting the pad out of the way risks being bowled if you can't get the bat there fast enough.

So yeah, I'm not seeing an intention to hit the ball once he realised he was beaten by the inward movement.

It's something lots of batsmen do. Ponting was notorious for it. I don't like it because I don't see it as being a genuine attempt to hit the ball once you've been beaten by movement.

When you're beaten by movement like McCullum was your've literally got no time to make an adjustment. Your've just got to hope your defensive technique is in order to best help you survive. I'm 99.9 percent sure McCullum was looking to defend that ball, but it nipped back and he missed it.

 

[Athlai]

 

[SteveNZ]

Just out of interest, anyone aware if the third umpire is allowed to rule on whether a batsman played a shot or not? Clearly the on field umpire felt he had...I haven't seen it so can't comment.

 

[WindieWeathers]

Of course you are. Just as I'm entitled to tell you I think it's complete rubbish and that it's undermining everything else you say. I'm legitimately embarrassed for you and I'll struggle to take you seriously on much going forward.

1. i haven't actually said there's a "conspirecy"...i just said i "wasn't surprised" that it didn't go our way because that's how it's been going of late.

2. Tbh Prince you "taking me seriously" isn't really important to me...i'm here to abide by the rules and express my views on cricket...some may agree and some don't..it's all the same to me.

3. i hope you as a mod can look past your own views about "not taking me seriously" and still deal with people who are being openly abusive.

 

[Hurricane]

When you're beaten by movement like McCullum was your've literally got no time to make an adjustment. Your've just got to hope your defensive technique is in order to best help you survive. I'm 99.9 percent sure McCullum was looking to defend that ball, but it nipped back and he missed it.

I want to see video of it.

 

[hendrix]

I can see where you're coming from, but I think there's a fundamental difference between intending to leave the ball alone completely (committing to not playing a shot at all) and getting beaten so doing whatever you possibly can to keep the ball out. In the first situation, from the moment you see it out of the hand, you never plan to play the ball with bat. In the second you're always intending to get something on it but have to scramble once you realise you've misread it.

I think you're giving too much credit to a batsman if you think he can adjust and decide to keep the bat behind pad as easily as you're making out, especially against a quick bowler.

Yes, I agree that there's a fundamental difference between the two.

My contention is that batsmen should always be looking to use their bat - whether they're misjudging early in the delivery or late in the delivery, the intent should be to get the bat there. In "scrambling", every attempt should be made to get bat on it, rather than just putting your pad in the way.

But I agree that that frame of mind is quite clearly delineated from just not playing a shot at all.

 

[Hurricane]

@WW report the post that bothers you - state your case in the report then other mods apart from PEWS will have to look at it. Cribb's mind is made up.

 

[Prince EWS]

@WW report the post that bothers you - state your case in the report then other mods apart from PEWS will have to look at it. Cribb's mind is made up.

I'm perfectly capable of disciplining people who are abusive even if I agree with their sentiment, thank you very much. Decisions such as that tend to require more than one moderator's input though, and even then I don't believe the post in question was made by a poster close to a ban anyway.

 

[Howsie]

And this is a response from an "adult"?!! ..

I won't change my views for the likes of YOU...either accept it or ignore my posts..it's that simple...i'm tired of dealing with your childish outbursts now.

Your views, especially the ones on a umpire bias against the Windies, are ridiculous. Brathwaite doesn't score his 100 in the second test if what you believe is true.

 

[straw man]

What a catch by Watling off Roach. Loved the look on his face when he realised he'd caught it too.

Similarity to Williamson's edge to the right of Ramdin has to be noted too.

 

[social]

Gayle's shot was just atrocious as NZ had slips, a gully and 3 men in covers waiting for a lofted frive

 

[Hurricane]

What a catch by Watling off Roach. Loved the look on his face when he realised he'd caught it too.

Similarity to Williamson's edge to the right of Ramdin has to be noted too.

Sweet catch.

I love it when we field like one of the best team's in the world and hate it when we drop catches with a passion. Partly as I feel that fielding is in your control it comes down to practice and raw determination to take the catch.

Rutherford trying his best to help the team in the field too - well done hamish.

 

[Bahnz]

Ugh, regardless of how much his batting has improved Ramdin is an absolutely dreadful keeper. That miss off Williamson may be the deciding moment in the series. Watling's sparkling keeping makes him look even worse.

 

[Hurricane]

Gayle's shot was just atrocious as NZ had slips, a gully and 3 men in covers waiting for a lofted frive

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Bravo perhaps?

 

[straw man]

Rutherford trying his best to help the team in the field too - well done hamish.

Heh yes and the surge of confidence from taking two good catches then propelled him to be dizzying heights of 19 runs with the bat too.

 

[Kippax]

 

[Hurricane]

Not much to it really. I think he tried to play it bat and pad together.

Seen way worse examples of people pretending to play shots not be given especially in the 80s.

Thanks for that kippax.