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***Official*** New Zealand in the West Indies 2014

Blocky

Banned
I suggest you look back at your posts today. I don't think many of them meet standards for polite discourse. Mind you, I can also say the same about my (two) previous posts today. And for that I am sorry. I had a bad start to the day and I took it out on you.
I suggest you grow a brain and a bit of maturity, calling someone an arsehole because they're stating a fact that someone disagrees with, then when someone external to the conversation shows that fact to be true, the person still maintains an ignorant viewpoint is the sign of someone who shouldn't be posting on an internet forum.
 

Bahnz

Hall of Fame Member
I suggest you grow a brain and a bit of maturity, calling someone an arsehole because they're stating a fact that someone disagrees with, then when someone external to the conversation shows that fact to be true, the person still maintains an ignorant viewpoint is the sign of someone who shouldn't be posting on an internet forum.
Haha, he apologises and you double-down with more belligerence and insults. Classic Blocky.
 
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WindieWeathers

International Regular
Well what can i say? my source was right about Holder playing and the lad bowled well despite not getting a wicket. But boy was it a shock to find out Blackwood had made way for Shilly...needless to say most WI fans were NOT happy with that decision. All in all can't complain about the day at all...though without Narine it does seem we allow the tail to wag a little to long but in truth keeping NZ below 300 was mentally very important for our lot...especially as we're playing with one batsman short. Also Gayle and Kraigg seeing out those nine overs was also a huge boost...they'll be tested early tomorrow so we'll see how that goes.

Roach just continues to impress and has grown in stature with every innings he's bowled..shame Taylor wasn't on it today but i won't judge him as he was due a stinker having played so well thus far. Shilly was just pathetic but with the track spinning already then later down the line one would hope he can come to the party. Then we had Benn who took a well earned 5fer...

In closing the job isn't done yet and clearly we'll need the lads to dig deep to overhall this score...if we managed to get an 80 lead i'd take that right now...no doubt we wouldn't want to be chasing anything challenging on the 5th day that's for sure.
 

Athlai

Not Terrible
Yeah that was the best I've seen Roach bowl in this tour. Taylor was poor though. Thank God. Holder got a lot of movement and does get some pretty good bounce too.
 

Blocky

Banned
Blocky, when someone extends the olive branch, don't be a Styris.
I'm not here to make friends, nor enemies. I'm here to discuss cricket and my opinions versus others, and also hold people to account when their opinions are wrong, or when they're trying to argue a basic fact. If people get their panties in a knot because I post in an assertive style and am not afraid to back up my opinions - that's up to them to control. I'll control the fact that I don't call them a bunch of idiots when they make blatantly stupid points.
 

Athlai

Not Terrible
Well what can i say? my source was right about Holder playing and the lad bowled well despite not getting a wicket. But boy was it a shock to find out Blackwood had made way for Shilly...needless to say most WI fans were NOT happy with that decision. All in all can't complain about the day at all...though without Narine it does seem we allow the tail to wag a little to long but in truth keeping NZ below 300 was mentally very important for our lot...especially as we're playing with one batsman short. Also Gayle and Kraigg seeing out those nine overs was also a huge boost...they'll be tested early tomorrow so we'll see how that goes.

Roach just continues to impress and has grown in stature with every innings he's bowled..shame Taylor wasn't on it today but i won't judge him as he was due a stinker having played so well thus far. Shilly was just pathetic but with the track spinning already then later down the line one would hope he can come to the party. Then we had Benn who took a well earned 5fer...

In closing the job isn't done yet and clearly we'll need the lads to dig deep to overhall this score...if we managed to get an 80 lead i'd take that right now...no doubt we wouldn't want to be chasing anything challenging on the 5th day that's for sure.
Yeah with your mad tail you need to set something decent here.

I said at the start of the match if we got 350+ we'd be in the driving seat, game is in the balance now. If WI win the first hour tomorrow then we'll be in a heck of a lot of trouble.
 

Blocky

Banned
Haha, he apologises and you double-down with more belligerence and insults. Classic Blocky.
Tough titties, the guy insulted me over the fact that I was pulling up someone who refused to believe a fact, even after someone else proved me right. And threw a stupid insult out, I get blamed for starting a lot of the arguments and personal ****, but to be honest, most of the personal **** is thrown my way and I hardly bother responding to it, until it gets to a head like this where someone is making a conversation out of how I deal with people.
 

Hurricane

Hall of Fame Member
I hope that Shilly continues to go wicketless and that the lack of a 6th batsman comes back to hurt the Windies. It is really my major straw I am clinging to.

Other comments:
1) The seamers would all have been pissed at Craig for getting the new ball all messed up. Those three fours may also be enough to get Gayle underway - unfortunate set of deliveries. Plz bowl better Craig.
2) Braithwaite looks like a rock - kind of - he doesn't get forward enough and plays from his crease a bit - he is susceptible to leg cutters. That said I love the way he brings his back foot to the off side of the delivery to aid his balance. Left handers coming round the wicket to him or Southee coming from wide on the crease is how to force to him play more linearly and not get his body behind the ball as much. Prediction Wagner to get him from round the wicket for 40-60 runs next to his name.
3) Gayle looks like he could go at any time (when craig is not bowling to him)
 

Binkley

U19 Captain
I suggest you grow a brain and a bit of maturity, calling someone an arsehole because they're stating a fact that someone disagrees with, then when someone external to the conversation shows that fact to be true, the person still maintains an ignorant viewpoint is the sign of someone who shouldn't be posting on an internet forum.
I didn't call you an arsehole for stating a fact. I did it because of the mean and spiteful way you stated that fact. And because I had just received some bad personal news and that put me in a bad mood. But I don't want to prolong that discussion. It is not relevant to the state of the match, or much fun - and frankly you seem to lack insight into your own poor behaviours so I doubt very much whether further discussion will achieve a change in those behaviours.

I do, however, want to have a conversation about the place of Jimmy Neesham in future test sides. Obviously his batting has been tremendous, and the innings he played this morning was an exceptional one. But to me he shouldn't bat any higher than 6, and I am not sure if his bowling is good enough at the moment to justify his place in the side as a true all-rounder. So we seem to have a choice between adopting him as a Jeremy Coneyish lower-middle order specialist who we can rely on for a few overs every now and again - which would weaken our bowling line-up because we then need extra bowling cover (ie, we have less space for an expensive-but-promising indulgence like Sodhi). Or we try and change his game - either by batting him further up the order or by getting him to work on his bowling. My preference would be to keep him as our new Coney, but that is reliant on us finding a spinner who can both block up an end and take wickets. So - if Craig or Sodhi do not turn into that spinner, how do we continue to fit Jimmy into the team?
 

Prince EWS

Global Moderator
My preference would be to keep him as our new Coney, but that is reliant on us finding a spinner who can both block up an end and take wickets. So - if Craig or Sodhi do not turn into that spinner, how do we continue to fit Jimmy into the team?
McCullum opens, Watling bats 5. :p
 

Hurricane

Hall of Fame Member
I do, however, want to have a conversation about the place of Jimmy Neesham in future test sides. Obviously his batting has been tremendous, and the innings he played this morning was an exceptional one. But to me he shouldn't bat any higher than 6, and I am not sure if his bowling is good enough at the moment to justify his place in the side as a true all-rounder. So we seem to have a choice between adopting him as a Jeremy Coneyish lower-middle order specialist who we can rely on for a few overs every now and again - which would weaken our bowling line-up because we then need extra bowling cover (ie, we have less space for an expensive-but-promising indulgence like Sodhi). Or we try and change his game - either by batting him further up the order or by getting him to work on his bowling. My preference would be to keep him as our new Coney, but that is reliant on us finding a spinner who can both block up an end and take wickets. So - if Craig or Sodhi do not turn into that spinner, how do we continue to fit Jimmy into the team?
Develop him is the answer. Get our best bowling coaches to work on him night and day. He doesn't need to improve by much (I only have only seen him in ODIs mind you) just a 10% improvement will lift him to bowl one fewer bad ball an over and that should suffice for what we want out of him.

IF he can't improve then he needs to give way to Anderson.

But I would give him several months to get it together. Get bond on to him.
 

Flem274*

123/5
I was thinking today he could bat at five in the post-Baz era.

Though if Watling was up to batting at five and keeping the gloves (and neither suffered for the extra workload), the Neesh at six and Anderson at seven would be jizzworthy.

Tbh though I think Neesham's bowling will offer more in home conditions and he'll work into his role with more games. I'm not too phased by our 5th bowler not setting the world on fire immediately, especially since he's batting so well.
 

hendrix

Hall of Fame Member
I'm content to let Anderson and Neesham continue to slog it out until McCullum retires. They're both still young, injuries are likely to continue, and bad runs of form or technical weaknesses will be exposed.

I used to think Neesham would develop into 4th bowler territory, but I no longer hold that view. We can't bar Henry (and other potentials like Milne) entry into the test side because of the bowler Neesham (or Anderson) could become.
 

hendrix

Hall of Fame Member
Was a combination of Neesham top-scoring and Jerome Taylor bowling crap really.
The rate was high during the Taylor-Williamson partnership and remained that way to the end, really.

Most of the batsmen were playing their shots, and really other than McCullum (Rutherford doesn't count at this stage) it's fortunate that they were because we wouldn't have got near to 290 had they not.
 

Flem274*

123/5
So I went looking for some proof to back up my BJ is boom or bust observation and I found it.

As the keeper batsman he has 11 innings where he scored less than 20, 10 innings where he scored 50 or more and only 5 innings where he scored between 20-49.
 

SteveNZ

Cricketer Of The Year
Set batsman giving strike away first ball of every over is as brainless for a #9 as it is for a #4.
On face value, perhaps. But you're completely ignoring that Pidg is in his third Test, has never really had to nurse a tail in his life, has a guy much his senior at 10 who rates himself as a batsman, and if he gets into a mentality of turning down runs and altering the way he plays, especially so early in his career, probably gets out anyway. He's not Michael Hussey, he's not even a top 7-8 batsman at FC level. Seems like you've been around cricket a long time, sometimes it's worth scratching deeper than 'guy gets out, either amazing nut or poor shot' or in this case just blindly blaming a guy who deserves a lot more for the ticker exhibited
 

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