*Official** New Zealand in England

[PY]

That's poor.

Kim Barnett opened the season for Shropshire with 9 in a row...

Yorkshire League is of higher standard.

Plus Cleethorpes ground is pretty damn big and Neil can vouch for how long the boundary is over to the primary school. I'm sure he's been hit there before.

 

[tooextracool]

To be fair to Styris, before the test against England he was in incredible form, much like Butcher was in the Windies before returning. To say he's out of form after one test would be like saying Butcher is out of form, and I got hell for that one.

he hasnt been doing much in the warm up games either

 

[anzac]

Well, you only need to look at how the English fans on here rubbish their domestic average-toppers (Hick, Ramprakash, etc.).

I guess we just have to hope Marshall proves his worth again in the ODIs, because I'd eventually like to see a player like him in our test middle-order. At 100-200/3 a team's innings can still go either way, and I'd feel a lot better with someone who can come in, work the singles and consolidate. If one of our boundary-hitters is 'in', Marshall is the perfect junior partner.

yep - agreed 100%.............

as anyone who's been on here for a while will be able to tell you I've been an advocate for Marshall's selection into the Test squad / team since his re-emergence in the ODI series in PAK for the same reasons as you've outlined.........

as I've also said b4, in the ODI series v RSA IMO Styris & Macca both played better innings (maybe not score wise) when batting with Marshall.........

the other guy I like for seeing 'the big picture' in an innings is Sinclair as he's shown he can go the distance re BIIIIG scores - only probs are if there is movement off the seam, and I don't think he looks for enough early singles as he gets himself settled in, unlike a S Waugh for example........

I don't know enough about the likes of Fulton & Co as to whether they are Marshall / Sinclair type, or Astle, Styris, Macca & Co..........

 

[anzac]

Caddick got six wickets and a fifty

no thanx...............

 

[anzac]

oh dear...........neither Papps nor Styris seem to be able to buy any runs, while Macca seems to be doing better.............

if Hopkins can back up his 1st inning performance with the bat & stay tidy behind the stumps, we may see a new 'keeper debut at Headingly, if for no other reason as the selectors have not got any other batsmen to call from & 2 are out of touch..........

question would be as to what their batting order would be - McCullum at #6 or higher at #3 or #4???????????

 

[chris.hinton]

my team for the second test

Trescothick
Vaughan
Butcher
Strauss
Thorpe
Flintoff
G.Jones
Hoggard
S.Jones
Anderson
Harminson

 

[Kent]

Rather I think they did a good thing in not picking him for the Natwest Series.

I would prefer him to have him the chance to bag up his great start with another season in domestic cricket.

And I think he should at least back up his preformances.

Fair enough. I know my brother thinks it would be like when they threw McCullum into the VB Series.

My counter to that is McCullum had done far less than Taylor at domestic level when he faced the 2 best ODI teams in the world, and although McCullum failed it's not like the experience hurt him too much. Now 2-3 years on (and still only 22), he's a confident international player.

IMO it can be good for the clearly exceptional young players to get a bit of a taste, whether it's just being around the big names or playing a few matches. If it doesn't work out they can reflect back on the experience and know what they need to improve on before they return. It also lets them know that they shouldn't get too comfortable when they're belting lesser players around the park, which Taylor will do plenty of at State Shield and English league level.

A good example of what I'm getting at is Matthew Sinclair. By the time he got picked for NZ in his mid-20's, his faults hadn't really been exposed. Even on his test debut, the West Indies had no answer. Perhaps if he'd realised as a teenager what parts of his game just wouldn't last at international level, who knows?

 

[anzac]

I'm an advocate for bigger touring squads so as to take emerging players on tour to gain experience & play with the big boys on tour matches - see what they're made of re touring conditions & less of a transition when making the final step up.............

Squads to ENG may swing towards those players not playing in the local comps, so it would depend on who was where & what the level of the comp was...........

 

[Craig]

Fair enough. I know my brother thinks it would be like when they threw McCullum into the VB Series.

My counter to that is McCullum had done far less than Taylor at domestic level when he faced the 2 best ODI teams in the world, and although McCullum failed it's not like the experience hurt him too much. Now 2-3 years on (and still only 22), he's a confident international player.

IMO it can be good for the clearly exceptional young players to get a bit of a taste, whether it's just being around the big names or playing a few matches. If it doesn't work out they can reflect back on the experience and know what they need to improve on before they return. It also lets them know that they shouldn't get too comfortable when they're belting lesser players around the park, which Taylor will do plenty of at State Shield and English league level.

A good example of what I'm getting at is Matthew Sinclair. By the time he got picked for NZ in his mid-20's, his faults hadn't really been exposed. Even on his test debut, the West Indies had no answer. Perhaps if he'd realised as a teenager what parts of his game just wouldn't last at international level, who knows?

Had Sinclair done anything to justify a call-up at a young age?

 

[SpaceMonkey]

my team for the second test

Trescothick
Vaughan
Butcher
Strauss
Thorpe
Flintoff
G.Jones
Hoggard
S.Jones
Anderson
Harminson

That tail seriously scares me chris Hoggard so high up! Impractical to have 5 proper fast bowlers...they just arent used enough. Id drop Anderson and put Bell in myself as he has got a fair few wickets for Warks dispite only been a part time medium pacer....but it looks like Collingwood would come in for Anderson if they do decide to drop Giles.
But i think Bells batting and bowling is alot better than Collingwoods.

 

[Kent]

Had Sinclair done anything to justify a call-up at a young age?

Not really. Sinclair debuted at f/c level when he was 20 (95/96), and started knocking on the door in the late 90's.

It's still tempting to think what he'd be like now if he tried correcting his technical flaws a bit earlier. Added to his world-class eye and stamina, his test ave. could be closer to 58 than the current 38.

 

[Kent]

Uh oh - McMillan retired hurt 68.

Wonder if that finger got hit again. I guess when I wake up the radio news will tell me:

a) it wasn't serious.
b) Hopkins/Sinclair/Marshall are being rushed in.

 

[SpaceMonkey]

Uh oh - McMillan retired hurt 68.

Wonder if that finger got hit again. I guess when I wake up the radio news will tell me:

a) it wasn't serious.
b) Hopkins/Sinclair/Marshall are being rushed in.

I'd hazard a guess he just retired 'hurt' to give other batsmen a go. He got plenty practice himself over the 2 innings to give someone else a go. Leicestershire are one of the weaker county teams, and they also rested a number of first teamers i think.

 

[SpaceMonkey]

on a side note can i ask any NZ'ers why Craig Spearman decided to play county cricket instead of for NZ? cos certainly in the one day game he's looked extremely impressive for Glous when ive seen him.

 

[Rich2001]

Uh oh - McMillan retired hurt 68.

Wonder if that finger got hit again. I guess when I wake up the radio news will tell me:

a) it wasn't serious.
b) Hopkins/Sinclair/Marshall are being rushed in.

OK this has been confirmed

McMillan retired hurt on 68 after being hit on his left hand by a delivery from D.Maddy... there is concern as McMillan already has a broken little finger on that hand so it could have made that worse or worse still broken another one

He has gone to hospital for X-Rays.

Just a side note, you could tell it was bad news from the retired hurt part on the scorecard, if a batsman retires his wicket it is "normally" shown as retired out or just retired, I think.

 

[anzac]

on a side note can i ask any NZ'ers why Craig Spearman decided to play county cricket instead of for NZ? cos certainly in the one day game he's looked extremely impressive for Glous when ive seen him.

from memory as an aggressive style batsman he was pretty much hit or miss as an opener at int level & couldn't find consistency - as a consequence his career was pretty in & out.............& he announced his int retirement a couple of seasons back.............there was some talk at the time about him trying to qualify to play in ENG as a non foreign player, which would have made any future selection for NZL impossible.........

Braces apparently approached him regarding his int career when he became NZL coach, but Spearman declined the offer (if there was one)...........

 

[SpaceMonkey]

OK this has been confirmed

McMillan retired hurt on 68 after being hit on his left hand by a delivery from D.Maddy... there is concern as McMillan already has a broken little finger on that hand so it could have made that worse or worse still broken another one

He has gone to hospital for X-Rays.

Just a side note, you could tell it was bad news from the retired hurt part on the scorecard, if a batsman retires his wicket it is "normally" shown as retired out or just retired, I think.

Jesus Maddy is just a medium pacer, bowls about 70/75mph at best. I wonder if the pitch played a part.

 

[Loony BoB]

Jesus Maddy is just a medium pacer, bowls about 70/75mph at best. I wonder if the pitch played a part.

He's been playing with a broken finger as of the first test against England, at the latest. It only takes a spin bowler to knock a broken bone into a very painful position, let alone a medium pace bowler.

 

[Neil Pickup]

my team for the second test

Trescothick
Vaughan
Butcher
Strauss
Thorpe
Flintoff
G.Jones
Hoggard
S.Jones
Anderson
Harminson

Five seamers = one wasted selection.

You drop either Hoggard or Anderson for either Giles or Collingwood and it'll be accurate.

 

[Neil Pickup]

on a side note can i ask any NZ'ers why Craig Spearman decided to play county cricket instead of for NZ? cos certainly in the one day game he's looked extremely impressive for Glous when ive seen him.

FTB, I believe