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*Official** New Zealand in England

tooextracool

International Coach
marc71178 said:
Pretty hard to bowl when he was off the field though.
he was on the field for that post lunch session preventing boundaries with some bootwork for obvious reasons

marc71178 said:
I think it was the right idea actually - harder for the hitters in the New Zealand side to score in their usual manner - look at Cairns for one, 2 edged fours and then holes out...
yeah but mark richardson was in there then and with 5 wickets down would you attack or defend?
 

meatspx

U19 Cricketer
IMHO England are the firm favourites to win the match. The pitch is in relatively good condition, and the NZ bowlers haven't shown much promise to date.

Take the 5 overs bowled today, Oram and Tuffey bowled far too short and the majority of the balls were left outside the off-stump. Admittidly 2 overs from each bowler isn't much to make a judgement, but I think it was indicative of their current form. Vettori bowled a beautiful top-spinner that nearly got the edge of Strauss, perhaps he can step up tommorow.

With Cairns bowling too wayward, and Tuffey and Martin CLEARLY not at their best, England should win. But in saying that, this Game has twisted and turned every day.

Day 1: NZ
Day 2: England
Day 3: NZ
Day 4: England
Day 5: Probably England

Martin didn't bowl well with the first new ball against South Africa, rather waiting for the next day to take his wickets. He doesn't need a new ball (20-30 overs will do) to swing the ball. He needs to step up for NZ tommorow.
 

biased indian

International Coach
jones conceded a total of 23 byes it will be crucial in the end and he droped a catch of last pair which in the end egland struggled to part if he had be little more effective england would have been chasing less than 250
 

meatspx

U19 Cricketer
Also Cairns should be blasted for that dismissal. Poor thnking, cramping himself up, trying to clear the boundary where a fielder was placed. He hadn't timed a ball during the innings and there was no need to start-up the attack for a slog six.
 

tooextracool

International Coach
marc71178 said:
Whilst simultaneously keeping it very tight indeed.

I can understand criticism when he's hit all over the par, but now there seems to be critics when he bowls 35 overs straight through for less than 2 an over and 3 wickets!

He was bowling to a plan, and by golly it worked.
giles job was over after the 80th over...he had already picked up his 2 wickets and it was time to attack the new player and richardson instead of allowing them to settle in. harmison picked up 2 wickets with the old ball later in the innings and one can only imagine how many he would have picked up with the newer ball.
 

anzac

International Debutant
another bloody disappointing effort from the NZL batting lineup - mirroring their effort in the 1st innings - 5 scores in double figures with 1 ton and 1 nearly ton and a near 50...........by contrast the ENG batting had 8 double figure scores = far more consistant contributions...........

congrads to Richardson on his ton, but it's almost like he falls over the line & then gets out without much more of an addition..........

McCullum let the occaision get to him & the ENG bowlers exploited this with some superb bowling - yet again the inability to keep take singles from good bowling dried up the runs and led to a mini collapse..........

Styris' stay at the crease in this match has been far too short to be able to say anything about his form - Macca however has played 2 contrasting types of innings with pretty much the same results - bugger all..IMO the only chance he has of retaining his spot is if they think Papps has even less to offer..........again the shortcomings of a 14 man squad with only 1 batting option.........

speaking of which I wonder if they may entertain some thoughts as to not only a change in players, but perhaps a change in the order????? An option may be for Papps to play down the order just to get some confidence back - Flem may stay opening for the 1st innings to give him the opportunity to do so.

The other question would be would they promote McCullum to #3 & Papps at #4 (or vice versa) with their experience as openers in domestic cricket & thus give some protection to Styris & Astle to be able to build the platform for Cairns & Oram???????

In reality I'd prefer to see 'specialists' in their roles, but one of my major gripes about this bating lineup is that there is no protection with Styris at #4.......and no one to rotate the strike via singles etc..........as openers Papps & McCullum should be able to do so - provided Richardson comes to the party..............
 

luckyeddie

Cricket Web Staff Member
tooextracool said:
giles job was over after the 80th over...he had already picked up his 2 wickets and it was time to attack the new player and richardson instead of allowing them to settle in. harmison picked up 2 wickets with the old ball later in the innings and one can only imagine how many he would have picked up with the newer ball.
Harmison took 3 wickets in a 5-over spell with the old ball, but don't let the truth get in the way - you're on a roll.

Regarding your dig at Marc over Jones, he was off the field for the first 4 overs after lunch but had just had intensive treatment following an attack of cramp. I suppose you noticed how gingerly he was moving for the first hour, didn't you? There was no way he would be bowling for a bit - that's probably why Trescothick went over for a chat with him on 2 occasions that I saw.

So, Giles is taken off after 80. Harmison obviously gets the new ball, but Jones is still crook. Astle has just thrashed Flintoff out of the attack, and he's licking his lips at the prospect of having a go at Hoggard. You might get him because he's only been batting for three quarters of an hour, but you might throw the test away in an hour. Astle is one of the most destructive batsmen in the world on his day - and it's not looking too bad for him so far. You've also got Richardson, an opener, a guy who makes his living playing against the new ball.

It's far from straightforward. There's also the little matter of a replacement skipper not wanting to screw the series up in the absence of the regular captain.
 

Revelation

U19 Debutant
i think NZ is poised to win the match......it would be much better for England tog o out there and try to get it over as quickly a possible. the longer they take, the m ore chances they give to NZ. But i still hold that NZ will win.
 

Neil Pickup

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OK, I missed all today :(

Coach return tickets to London are £9 for tomorrow, the tube will be about another £4 and admission £10. It's a 4am start and get home at 1am.

Do I go? Yes or no.. I'll make my mind up off the first five replies...
 

Loony BoB

International Captain
anzac - You can't say anything about Styris due to his lack of time at the crease, but you dismiss McMillan as a goner? I think that's pretty harsh. McMillan's had less time than Styris! Styris hasn't done anything with the bat besides get out (as with McMillan), and that's what he's in the side for. It's not McMillan's fault he hasn't had a bowl, because McMillan's test bowling average is actually better than Styris'! To be fair, I think both of them should be feeling a bit uneasy, but I think blasting McMillan and saying Styris is an unknown is a bit harsh. So long as Giles is played, Styris is going to have a bit of trouble, it seems... to be fair to the two of them, they came in at a time where the English bowling was at it's best, and almost every shot was unplayable.

I think Papps, McMillan and Styris have equal chances of making the XI for the next team. It may well depend on how they personally are feeling with their game (something which we'll probably never take into account as we don't know about it) or even how the pitch is going. For all we know, we could see both Bond and Papps in with both Styris and McMillan out. If not Bond, maybe even Mills! After this one test, I think half the spots in the team are up for grabs. Poor selectors.

In the meantime, interesting to see some commentators and members thinking NZ have got a good chance of winning, maybe I underestimate the quality of our bowlers. This should be a bloody interesting final day tomorrow. Wish I could watch it. Stupid work.
 

badgerhair

U19 Vice-Captain
Neil Pickup said:
OK, I missed all today :(

Coach return tickets to London are £9 for tomorrow, the tube will be about another £4 and admission £10. It's a 4am start and get home at 1am.

Do I go? Yes or no.. I'll make my mind up off the first five replies...
You go. Bring the beta-blockers and the valium, though, because this has the makings of a really tense day's cricket. I have no idea at all who will win at this point, since I make it about 50.05-49.95 in England's favour right now.
 

anzac

International Debutant
re the ENG bowling tactics....I'm afraid I have a foot in both camps on this one...........

as a philosophy I'm of the school whereby you attack when facing the lower middle - esp when you have pace bowlers showing form & the new ball available combined with new batsmen at the crease..........the only reason I'd keep bowling spin would be the bowler is in good form - if he started to go for a few & wasn't threatening to take wickets I'd pull him after 2-3 overs tops.........

however in this instance (& hindsight) I'd say that the 'strangulation' of the 'punchers' in the NZL batting lineup was just what the Dr ordered. The result being that the dangermen in Cairns & Oram had a soft ball to try to hit out with, along with the pressure to start scoring quickly in order to mount some sort of total as time remaining became a factor..........IF the NZL batting had some 'boxers' in the lower middle then perhaps the tactic would not have been successful, but with Richardson at one end, Astle being crook (not likely to push himself physically either by lots of singles or attacking batting), and the 'punchers' to come................
 

anzac

International Debutant
Neil Pickup said:
OK, I missed all today :(

Coach return tickets to London are £9 for tomorrow, the tube will be about another £4 and admission £10. It's a 4am start and get home at 1am.

Do I go? Yes or no.. I'll make my mind up off the first five replies...
ok from what you've seen has it been a good contest?
has it been enjoyable?
has it been entertaining?
do you like watching cricket live?
do you think it will be a tense final day?

then it's a 'no brainer'....... 8-)
 

PY

International Coach
Loony BoB said:
Stupid work.
Stupid exams. :angel_not

As if that is going to stop me. :laugh:

PS Get your **** to London Neil, and take plenty of illegal photos. ;)
 
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Loony BoB

International Captain
I work 9-5:30, get home at around 7, every weekday... I just go with what I can though, use the desktop scoreboard from Cricinfo and check the main scoreboard when I have a second. =/ I'll watch the highlights on Sky, though.
 

luckyeddie

Cricket Web Staff Member
Neil Pickup said:
2-0 it is. One more and the "book coach ticket" button gets pressed.
3-0.

It could be a classic - and you'll kick yourself if it is and you don't go

I'll even do the match report for you
 
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