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marc71178

Eyes not spreadsheets
And Styris picks up 2 wickets with his medium pace that moved around a bit.

I suggest Mark Butcher warms up...
 

tooextracool

International Coach
geraint jones played well but he strikes me as a little over extravagant. he needs to learn to defend a little bit more and not play a shot at every ball. there were quite a few upish drives and cuts,one of which eventually got him out(of styris of all bowlers) while flintoff continues to get himself out after minor periods of frustration.
the nz bowling attack as i said earlier has too much of a sameness to it although i think martin seems to be a decent bowler with a very good in swinger. tuffey and oram have been disappointing and the entire attack bowls at the same pace....80 mph.
as i type england have just gotten themselves all out for 441 with a lead of only 55. NZ will settle for that after the 190 run opening partnership.
 

marc71178

Eyes not spreadsheets
tooextracool said:
as i type england have just gotten themselves all out for 441 with a lead of only 55. NZ will settle for that after the 190 run opening partnership.

Then again England were happy to get them for 386 from the position overnight after Day 1.

This is definitely in the melting pot still.
 

Loony BoB

International Captain
Pretty harsh to be critical of a guy who scores a fast 46 runs in a bludgeoning vital partnership, especially someone who isn't a specialist batsman, let alone in the top five. Some might say that Cairns needs to defend more, but I sure as hell wouldn't. It all comes down to batting the way that they personally score best, and I'd certainly say he did well, although I don't know if he's expected to do better than that (?).
 

tooextracool

International Coach
marc71178 said:
But ironically, given all the talk about the Kiwi lower-middle order, it's England's that have done the business.
really?our last 4 wickets fell for 25 runs while NZ had a last wicket partnership of nearly 50. me thinks that partnership has really made things pretty even ATM.
 

marc71178

Eyes not spreadsheets
tooextracool said:
really?our last 4 wickets fell for 25 runs while NZ had a last wicket partnership of nearly 50. me thinks that partnership has really made things pretty even ATM.
Yes, but that was after Flintoff and Jones put on more than 100 in less than an hour and a half...
 

tooextracool

International Coach
marc71178 said:
Yes, but that was after Flintoff and Jones put on more than 100 in less than an hour and a half...
and oram scored 67 while cairns got 82(in quick time mind you).....so how exactly did england's lower middle order out perform NZ's?
 

tooextracool

International Coach
Loony BoB said:
Pretty harsh to be critical of a guy who scores a fast 46 runs in a bludgeoning vital partnership, especially someone who isn't a specialist batsman, let alone in the top five. Some might say that Cairns needs to defend more, but I sure as hell wouldn't. It all comes down to batting the way that they personally score best, and I'd certainly say he did well, although I don't know if he's expected to do better than that (?).
then again if you had seen vikram solanki's innings in the natwest series last year you would have said the same.
im just pointing out areas that he needs to work on his batting not reasons why he should be dropped.
 

tooextracool

International Coach
interesting, flintoff gets the news ball instead of hoggard. thats ridiculous captaincy considering thats the only thing hoggard is good for.
 

Prince EWS

Global Moderator
For those who havent been informed, Fox Sports (in Australia) is covering this match ive.

They were originally goign to cover Australia v Zim, but for obvious reasons, they arent.

So they are taking Sky's coverage. I am VERY PLEASED with this. Yay!

The series is much better than the Aus v Zim one was going to be anyone, with or without rebels.
 

PY

International Coach
Flintoff has averaged more with the bat than with the ball since the start of the South Africa series.

Wahoo. :)
 

Loony BoB

International Captain
Someone needs to find the record for most runs scored off the head.

EDIT: NZ in the lead, effectively 3/1.
 
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Rich2001

International Captain
Loony BoB said:
Pretty harsh to be critical of a guy who scores a fast 46 runs in a bludgeoning vital partnership, especially someone who isn't a specialist batsman, let alone in the top five. Some might say that Cairns needs to defend more, but I sure as hell wouldn't. It all comes down to batting the way that they personally score best, and I'd certainly say he did well, although I don't know if he's expected to do better than that (?).
I agree (well I would it's Jonesy!) - The poor chap can't win, you want him to score runs, he scores you runs and he is put down... if he defended he could have got out for 10 and everyone would be on his back for failling, with 6 wickets down I think your entialed to open the arms a little more knowing the next two guy in is a bowler.... And Flintoff and Jones only did what Carins and Oram did and everyone was prasing them :wacko:
 

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