**Official** New Zealand in Australia

[KiWiNiNjA]

Voltman chooses a one-off comment, makes sweeping generalisation.

Crazy.

Sweeping generalisation?
Where?

Taylor pulled off a screamer and you come up with the comment "he made it look harder than it was".

Sounds like you dont want to give him credit to me.

 

[Rant0r]

yeah, bring back whispering death, getting sick of this new breed of commentators, and crapelli (**** he annoys me), don't mind tubby though, just healy gets a bit too much sometimes and slats really doesn't sound overly intelligent (much like his batting), richie is a bit tired and boring

 

[Rant0r]

It was Hayden's call

Katich had to wait for nothing, It was Hayden's call he was running to the danger end, you go on your partners call, and in front of the wicket it is the strikers call



Good argument

it was a crap call, i'd stay there too, then just look at him when he was standing next to me and go 'whatchyoo doing fool? you best get back to your crib'

 

[Rant0r]

Jeremy Coney would be great.

But Ian Smith would also be good, I loved it how he commentated the last time in Aus. He wasn't affraid to try and even out the bias.

Now with Nicholas, they have found someone who will just go along with their bias, and not even make things interesting.

smithy is gold, mark nicholas is (or should be) a game show host

Yeah, normally. Although when SL came they invited Cozier, which I thought was odd.

Cozier probably will come again, but I'd love it if Holding came.

ever seen a sri lankan commentator come over ? lets bring ranatunga, should be popular in aus :P

 

[Top_Cat]

That's bull****. Katich HAD to see if the ball was going to go past the bowler, otherwise Hayden was completely sawing him off, and once he had rightly seen if the ball would pass the bowler or not, there was no run there.

Not to mention the fact Hayden called "wait" then tore off down the wicket without bothering to look up to see what was going on.

It was Hayden's schoolboy error, and he rightly sacrificed himself.

He didn't have to wait, since it was Hayden's call and Hayden was going to the danger end. If the batter hits it towards mid-on and says yes and he's the one running at that end, it's fairly well accepted technique to put your head down and run and trust his judgement.

Mind you, I don't blame Kat entirely. The run was on in my book but those sorts of runs are risky because they rely on faultless trust and communication between the batters and can be confusing if 1) the non-striker is ball-watching, 2) the striker changes his call, as you said, from 'wait' to 'YEEEES' and 3) if the striker doesn't lift his eyes to see whether the non-striker is running.

 

[Rant0r]

Oh has anyone else noticed that the Channel 9 commentators hardly ever seem to do any commentating. They'll just take 5 minute breaks from the game to fart on to each other about their agonisingly uninteresting anecdotes, and just completely ignore what's going on, out on the park. Then eventually, presumably because some hopelessly depressed broadcaster pokes them with a stick, they'll wake up and make some incredibly insightful comment like "Well Australia will probably be wanting to extend their lead over New Zealand." Leaving aside for a moment their extraordinary bias, I don't honestly know if there is a worse team going around, purely in terms of actual commentating.

crapelli, man i'm so glad i never got his book as a bday present

i still don't know what the point of him interviewing ashley mallett and his boring ****ing story about clarrie grimmet was all about, besides plugging his book.

 

[BoyBrumby]

Predictions - Clarke will ton up today, Hussey will be bowled within the first seven overs.

Kudos. Uncanny, in fact. So uncanny I actually double checked the time of the post.

Generally in how they were actually hit. Before Warne legspinners could attack and take wickets, but they could also just as easily get hit for a four every over. Warne didn't.

Totally agree. Gideon Haigh said in an article about Warne that for all his arsenal of leggies, googlies, flippers, sliders, zooters, top spinners, etc his most important ball was the "sixth" ball. That is to say he managed to bowl all six balls where he wanted, unlike most wrist spinners who traditionally bung in a full-toss or long-hop every over.

Yeah, agreed.

They could do with a visiting commentator to mix things up a bit.

I think Ian Smith really ruined it for visiting commentators, now they just go with Nicholas because they know he will play along.

If by "playing along" you mean matephorically getting down on his knees to fellate anything blonde and Australian who does anything vaguely merit-worthy, then yes, yes he does.

Jeremy Coney would be great.

Ha, we got Coney, we got Coney; you ain't, you ain't!

He's currently in our Sky's studios with Paul Allott. Most criminally underused commentator around IHMO. Excellent value.

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On a personal note I'd like to congratulate Brad Haddin on a great knock that really made me look a tool after my ill-advised post in the "Should Haddin be dropped" thread.

 

[KiWiNiNjA]

Ha, we got Coney, we got Coney; you ain't, you ain't!

He's currently in our Sky's studios with Paul Allott. Most criminally underused commentator around IHMO. Excellent value.

I know, I watch through Sky.

Yeah, he's great.
I think he's persuing an acting career in England, so thats why he's not commentating.

 

[GGG]

for you redmond haters, he may well be on his way again in this innings, and his test career.

meh he scored some runs on a road, actually he should of done better in his first innings the way he was hitting the ball.

 

[Smudge]

Voltman chooses a one-off comment, makes sweeping generalisation.

Sweeping generalisation? Methinks you don't know what a sweeping generalisation is.

 

[archie mac]

That's bull****. Katich HAD to see if the ball was going to go past the bowler, otherwise Hayden was completely sawing him off, and once he had rightly seen if the ball would pass the bowler or not, there was no run there.

Not to mention the fact Hayden called "wait" then tore off down the wicket without bothering to look up to see what was going on.

It was Hayden's schoolboy error, and he rightly sacrificed himself.

Have you ever played cricket??????

It was Hayden's call, the striker, not your call at the non strikers end

it was a crap call, i'd stay there too, then just look at him when he was standing next to me and go 'whatchyoo doing fool? you best get back to your crib'

And I would wrap the bat around your head, because you don't understand the game

 

[Uppercut]

Have you ever played cricket??????

It was Hayden's call, the striker, not your call at the non strikers end



And I would wrap the bat around your head, because you don't understand the game

Yeah. Definitely Katich's fault. Get the feeling some people want to believe otherwise because one is such an awesome guy and the other's a prick.

 

[Polo23]

Have you ever played cricket??????

It was Hayden's call, the striker, not your call at the non strikers end

Have you ever played cricket? I can't believe you would just run on your partners call, when there was the distinct possibility you would be runout if you did.

As i've already said, Katich had to wait for the ball to pass Vettori, or else he would have been run out himself. Just because it is Hayden's call doesnt make Katich's call any less worthy. Hayden called "wait" then said "yes" and Katich said "WAIT!", had Hayden bothered to turn around when Katich sent him back he would have been fine, instead he continued to charge down the pitch until he was 3/4 of the way, then went back and was rightfully runout.

Just because your partner calls you through, doesnt mean you should just blindly accept that there is a run there. If you feel there is no run, you have every right to say no or wait, which is what Katich did.

 

[NUFAN]

Have you ever played cricket? I can't believe you would just run on your partners call, when there was the distinct possibility you would be runout if you did.

As i've already said, Katich had to wait for the ball to pass Vettori, or else he would have been run out himself. Just because it is Hayden's call doesnt make Katich's call any less worthy. Hayden called "wait" then said "yes" and Katich said "WAIT!", had Hayden bothered to turn around when Katich sent him back he would have been fine, instead he continued to charge down the pitch until he was 3/4 of the way, then went back and was rightfully runout.

Just because your partner calls you through, doesnt mean you should just blindly accept that there is a run there. If you feel there is no run, you have every right to say no or wait, which is what Katich did.

Yeah I agree with this exactly, risky run, nothing wrong with saying no, for the good of saving your partner or yourself.

BTW - Australia's top 6 need to improve their running between wickets.. In the last 4 tests, from memory - Hayden 2, Ponting 1, Hussey 1, Katich 1 have all been run out, pretty poor form, really.

 

[archie mac]

Have you ever played cricket? I can't believe you would just run on your partners call, when there was the distinct possibility you would be runout if you did.

As i've already said, Katich had to wait for the ball to pass Vettori, or else he would have been run out himself. Just because it is Hayden's call doesnt make Katich's call any less worthy. Hayden called "wait" then said "yes" and Katich said "WAIT!", had Hayden bothered to turn around when Katich sent him back he would have been fine, instead he continued to charge down the pitch until he was 3/4 of the way, then went back and was rightfully runout.

Just because your partner calls you through, doesnt mean you should just blindly accept that there is a run there. If you feel there is no run, you have every right to say no or wait, which is what Katich did.

I imagine I have played cricket for more years then you have been alive

You are wrong, gee the ball goes behind Hayden, Katich calls yes, so Hayden stops looks around for the ball, and then misses the boat call no, but too late Katich is down his end, who's fault is it?

Ask someone you respect, a coach, and they will tell you the same thing, and the ball was no where near the bowler!

Yeah I agree with this exactly, risky run, nothing wrong with saying no, for the good of saving your partner or yourself.

BTW - Australia's top 6 need to improve their running between wickets.. In the last 4 tests, from memory - Hayden 2, Ponting 1, Hussey 1, Katich 1 have all been run out, pretty poor form, really.

It was a clear run, Hayden was running to the danger end and would have made it. If Hussey was the non striker, who always goes on his partners call it would have been no worries, easy single

 

[Uppercut]

Yeah I agree with this exactly, risky run, nothing wrong with saying no, for the good of saving your partner or yourself.

BTW - Australia's top 6 need to improve their running between wickets.. In the last 4 tests, from memory - Hayden 2, Ponting 1, Hussey 1, Katich 1 have all been run out, pretty poor form, really.

Katich didn't say no though. If he'd saw the run was risky, turned to Hayden and yelled NO! or WAIT!, and Hayden had went anyway, then he'd be 100% excusable. As it is, he certainly has to shoulder some of the blame and IMO should shoulder most of it.

 

[archie mac]

Yeah. Definitely Katich's fault. Get the feeling some people want to believe otherwise because one is such an awesome guy and the other's a prick.

I like Katich, plays the same way as me, although he scores a lot faster, and is 95% more skillful

But yes, if it was the other way around, we would have people on here calling for Hayden to be sacked

 

[Langeveldt]

Morning all

Weather good?

 

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