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[chaminda_00]

Unless Australia get whitewashed or something, his job isn't in danger at all. Australia haven't sacked a captain in a long, long time. Was Bill Lawry in 1969 the last time?

Kim Hughes, he may have retired, but im sure he got pushed.

Also in ODIs they sacked Taylor and Steve Waugh after Australia missed out on the VB/CUB Finals

 

[FaaipDeOiad]

Kim Hughes, he may have retired, but im sure he got pushed.

Also in ODIs they sacked Taylor and Steve Waugh after Australia missed out on the VB/CUB Finals

They dropped them from the side, they didn't sack them... and they certainly aren't going to drop Ponting from anything, so if he wasn't retained as captain he would have to be removed from the job without actually being dropped, and I think the last time that happened was with Lawry after South Africa thrashed Australia, when Ian Chappell was appointed captain in his place and Lawry retired immediately afterwards.

I think the last Australian captain to continue playing in a side that he no longer captained is Greg Chappell, but I don't know if he voluntarily stepped down from the captaincy or if he was sacked. Either way, he was Australian test captain for part of his career, but at the end of his career Kim Hughes had the job.

 

[chaminda_00]

They dropped them from the side, they didn't sack them... and they certainly aren't going to drop Ponting from anything, so if he wasn't retained as captain he would have to be removed from the job without actually being dropped, and I think the last time that happened was with Lawry after South Africa thrashed Australia, when Ian Chappell was appointed captain in his place and Lawry retired immediately afterwards.

I think the last Australian captain to continue playing in a side that he no longer captained is Greg Chappell, but I don't know if he voluntarily stepped down from the captaincy or if he was sacked. Either way, he was Australian test captain for part of his career, but at the end of his career Kim Hughes had the job.

Bill Lawry from what i read didn't get sacked after the South Africa series as he captained Australia for 5 Tests against England and then got injured for the last Test and retired.

Greg Chappell also didn't get sacked or dropped he retired the captaincy before his last Australia summer, so Kim Hughes could take over.

Kim Hughes is that only Australian captain to get dropped/quit the captaincy and play in the Australian Team after. He played two Tests under Border before retiring completely.

 

[FaaipDeOiad]

Greg Chappell also didn't get sacked or dropped he retired the captaincy before his last Australia summer, so Kim Hughes could take over.

Kim Hughes is that only Australian captain to get dropped/quit the captaincy and play in the Australian Team after. He played two Tests under Border before retiring completely.

As you said though, Greg Chappell also resigned the captaincy and then went on to keep playing. Hughes wasn't sacked, he had an infamous moment on television where he burst into tears after being flogged by the West Indies and resigned the captaincy.

Examples of being sacked from captaincy are, say, Shaun Pollock, Ian Botham and Brian Lara... I can't find any instance at all of that sort of thing happening in Australian cricket actually. I always thought Lawry was sacked following Australia's shocking effort in South Africa, a general extended decline in the team and a very poor Ashes series, before Chappell lead the Australian team back to the top in his amazing stint as skipper, but he never played any tests post-captaincy. Never heard about the injury and retirement before, but you could be right.

Excluding him, I can't think of anyone at all. Obviously the futher back you go into cricket the less it happened, and I'm fairly sure if it didn't happen to Lawry, Greg Chappell or Hughes it's never happened to any of the post-war Australian captains, they have either handed over the captaincy when they retired, or voluntarily done it beforehand.

 

[BoyBrumby]

Unless Australia get whitewashed or something, his job isn't in danger at all. Australia haven't sacked a captain in a long, long time. Was Bill Lawry in 1969 the last time?

Funny, whenever I saw the pics of Kim Hughes having a blub I'd always thought he'd been given the ar$e too.

 

[FaaipDeOiad]

Funny, whenever I saw the pics of Kim Hughes having a blub I'd always thought he'd been given the ar$e too.

Just had a bit of a look for news articles and the like. Pretty certain that he resigned, but he did so in the face of a fair bit of public pressure and media bashing, but of course Mark Taylor and Steve Waugh both suffered the same during their batting slumps, particularly Mark.

Cricinfo says:
Identified with the cause of the Board by former Packer signatories, Hughes was only suffered by them as a skipper, and his tearful resignation at Brisbane in December 1984 after only four victories in 28 matches was one of that office's sorriest spectacles.

 

[badgerhair]

Excluding him, I can't think of anyone at all. Obviously the futher back you go into cricket the less it happened, and I'm fairly sure if it didn't happen to Lawry, Greg Chappell or Hughes it's never happened to any of the post-war Australian captains, they have either handed over the captaincy when they retired, or voluntarily done it beforehand.

Ian Craig? Ian Johnson?

And I dare say one or two captains have been told that they wouldn't be being picked for the next series and have decided to hang up their boots rather than have it obvious they'd been dropped - Australian captains traditionally being decided on after the XII have been selected.

Cheers

Mike

 

[FaaipDeOiad]

Ian Craig? Ian Johnson?

And I dare say one or two captains have been told that they wouldn't be being picked for the next series and have decided to hang up their boots rather than have it obvious they'd been dropped - Australian captains traditionally being decided on after the XII have been selected.

Cheers

Mike

Yeah, I'm thinking more of instances where a player has remained in the team and been stripped of their captaincy though, since the issue is about the likelyhood of that happening to Ponting. Obviously Ponting is only 30 and one of the best batsmen in the world based on the last few years so he's never going to get dropped, so the only way he would not be captain would be if he resigned or had it taken from him. Johnson retired before the captaincy was taken from him... Craig was just dropped, I guess, and never played a match post-captaincy.

 

[BoyBrumby]

Just had a bit of a look for news articles and the like. Pretty certain that he resigned, but he did so in the face of a fair bit of public pressure and media bashing, but of course Mark Taylor and Steve Waugh both suffered the same during their batting slumps, particularly Mark.

Cricinfo says:
Identified with the cause of the Board by former Packer signatories, Hughes was only suffered by them as a skipper, and his tearful resignation at Brisbane in December 1984 after only four victories in 28 matches was one of that office's sorriest spectacles.

I'm sure you're right, it's just my assumption all these years has been wrong! Crying somehow doesn't fit the stereotype of l'homme Australis!

 

[Pedro Delgado]

Just had a bit of a look for news articles and the like. Pretty certain that he resigned, but he did so in the face of a fair bit of public pressure and media bashing, but of course Mark Taylor and Steve Waugh both suffered the same during their batting slumps, particularly Mark.

The one and only time I think that as an Englishman, I will ever literally be overjoyed to see an Australian score a century, Edgbaston '97.

 

[FaaipDeOiad]

The one and only time I think that as an Englishman, I will ever literally be overjoyed to see an Australian score a century, Edgbaston '97.

Yeah. That was one of the greatest cricketing moments I have ever witnessed, I think. Anyway, you won the game, so you've got nothing to complain about.

 

[Pedro Delgado]

Yeah. That was one of the greatest cricketing moments I have ever witnessed, I think. Anyway, you won the game, so you've got nothing to complain about.

Seeing as I seriously started to support England in earnest was when Border's team arrived in '89, I do sincerely feel I have quite a bit to complain about what a barren, almost fruitless 16 years it has been. What was it he said? " I have the team here to beat England" if memory serves and they've never looked back.

My how time flies...

 

[tooextracool]

Simon Jones?

with all the injuries hes been having i dont think him and 'long term' go together.

 

[Pedro Delgado]

Just had a look at the Taylor Test (as I am now calling it, sorry Nasser) and one M A Butcher made his debut that match. Also interesting (well to me anyway, I'm bored) was the bowling line-up for Aus:

McGrath
Gillespie
Warne
Kasprowicz

The feckers are still going!!!

 

[Barney Rubble]

Bing, bing, bing, "there's a knock at the door Brett, the Aussies want you to play!"
http://foxsports.news.com.au/story/0,8659,15670504-5000061,00.html\

Interesting how the article stresses that Pietersen is a "South-African born slogger", isn't it?

 

[tooextracool]

Vaughan is often malinged, yet he continues to be scoring good runs.

without the consistency. not to mention that most of the times he does get runs he does it too slowly, and goes about hampering the side.

 

[tooextracool]

If he were English he would be picked infront of Gilo without doubt

strange then that giles is by far the more economical bowler.

 

[marc71178]

The one and only time I think that as an Englishman, I will ever literally be overjoyed to see an Australian score a century, Edgbaston '97.

Actually, I'd quite like to see Pigeon get one.

 

[marc71178]

without the consistency. not to mention that most of the times he does get runs he does it too slowly, and goes about hampering the side.

I'd say the consistency is what he is getting - and yes, he may strike at 65-70, but he anchors the innings, and when there's hitters like Flintoff and Pietersen as well as Trescothick, an anchor is useful.

 

[tooextracool]

Long term i would go for Anderson, he has proved throughout his ODI career to be a very wicket taking bowler with a SR of 32, but has been expensve at times. Seeing Lewis being attacked today illustrated the point i made after the 20/20 game that on good batting surfaces he wont be so effective.

you think lewis wont be effective on good batting surfaces and anderson will, despite the fact that hes been clobbered almost every time hes played on one?