***Official*** NatWest Series/Challenge

[Scallywag]

I said, you infuriating person (It has to be an act - nobody can be that stupid by accident), that The Times had a photograph in it of Pietersen sliding. I also said that the ball appeared to be a foot above the ground a fraction before it entered his hands. I was at work at the time, haven't seen a replay, and the only television I have seen is about the bombings. That's probably how it should be in England at the moment. Sport should take a back seat here for a while, even if it is your side losing.

Now I realise that you take great pleasure in yanking my chain, because that is the sort of small-minded individual that you are, so I am going to concede your point that there must have been doubt (albeit, it seems, only in your mind). Clearly, the photographer in The Times has his reasons for submitting an obviously doctored picture - perhaps he had a secondary agenda or envisaged a future for himself doctoring Abu Ghraib type images.

Let's just say you're right and I am wrong, eh, then you can go back to pulling the legs off spiders. Fair enough?

One more thing - do you believe in a God? Do you have proof, or did you require that proof before you made that decision?

Your the only one getting worked up here Ed, I have my doubts about the catch and you dont seem to be able to understand that my opinion might be different to yours. Read the posts again Ed, I have not said anything other than I thought the catch looked iffy. Its only you that demands that all opinions must align with yours.

(quake) Ed loves ****too.

 

[social]

You obviously didn't see the one Trescothick was caught off then (and given not out, followed by various Aussies behaving in their usual manner), it moved from the line of leg-stump to 5-6 inches outside off. All this thing about the conditions changing massively is pure guesswork because your bowling wasn't good enough in the main to exploit whatever conditions were there anyway.

If it pitched on leg stump, one has to ask why he was playing a cut shot.

And BTW, how should Aus have behaved?

Nick, appeal, not out, "jolly well played, Tresco."

 

[greg]

Actually you said that Pietersen "knew" it wasn't out.

 

[Scallywag]

And BTW, how should Aus have behaved?

Nick, appeal, not out, "jolly well played, Tresco."

Didnt you know.

Warnie cried, Symonds got drunk, Hayden abused the kiddies, Gilly didnt say please, Ponting got into a fight, McGrath abused the batsman, Hogg poked his tounge, and Gillespie, no dont ask about Gillespie.

 

[FaaipDeOiad]

You obviously didn't see the one Trescothick was caught off then (and given not out, followed by various Aussies behaving in their usual manner), it moved from the line of leg-stump to 5-6 inches outside off. All this thing about the conditions changing massively is pure guesswork because your bowling wasn't good enough in the main to exploit whatever conditions were there anyway.

Err yeah, righto. You, dispite showing yourself to be totally incapable of reading a pitch already (remember how Durham was a road?), and apparently not even watching the games as you don't have Sky, are right about the pitch not changing and everyone else including everyone else in this thread, the captains of both teams and all the commentators are wrong.

Good on you.

 

[Scallywag]

Actually you said that Pietersen "knew" it wasn't out.

Actually FaaipDeOiad said Pieterson knew it. But he was refering to the Martyn catch.

Indeed. I must admit I wasn't especially happy to see Pietersen claiming the catch he took at third man of Martyn, and believe he knew it wasn't out. This one however, he had his fingers under.

But feel free to quote where I said it Greg.

 

[greg]

I apologise

 

[honestbharani]

I don't know if the pitch flattened out over the course of the day, but even if it did, I think Australia in top form would have given England more trouble. I think Gillespie is a big worry for Australia. He is a key bowler for them, IMO and I think the sooner he sorts his problems out, the better it would be for Australia. Otherwise, this Ashes might be extremely close.

 

[FaaipDeOiad]

I don't know if the pitch flattened out over the course of the day, but even if it did, I think Australia in top form would have given England more trouble. I think Gillespie is a big worry for Australia. He is a key bowler for them, IMO and I think the sooner he sorts his problems out, the better it would be for Australia. Otherwise, this Ashes might be extremely close.

Agreed on all points. Although, if Lee, McGrath and Warne bowl well, I don't think Gillespie will be so significant in the tests. Certainly though, Australia on top form would have at least made England work chasing 220, sedate wicket or not.

 

[vic_orthdox]

Agreed on all points. Although, if Lee, McGrath and Warne bowl well, I don't think Gillespie will be so significant in the tests. Certainly though, Australia on top form would have at least made England work chasing 220, sedate wicket or not.

Personally, I beg to differ. For Brett Lee to be as effective as he can be in Test Match cricket, he needs three bowlers who are going to be very very tight and restrictive, and with England attacking Gillespie the way they are, it will also severely reduce Lee's potency, as he gets caught between trying to attack (when he is at his best) and trying to put the brakes on and restrict runs (when he's next to useless) - a role that will need to be fulfilled at various stages of the series.

 

[aussie]

Gee...Gillespies totally lost it, hasnt he ?

if his poor run goes on throughout the ashes series u could say that, but for now nooooooooooo....

 

[marc71178]

If there is no conclusive evidence then there is doubt.

I was saying there's no conclusive evidence to show he dropped it.

 

[marc71178]

Is it a good moment to cite the oft mentioned experiment whereby Dermot Reeve stood in the middle of one of the English test grounds with the ball in his hands some inches off the turf, but the television suggested the ball was touching the ground?

That was because Reeve was high at the time

But it does show why technology isn't as useful as it is cracked up yet.

 

[marc71178]

if his poor run goes on throughout the ashes series u could say that, but for now nooooooooooo....

Did he not have a bad run in NZ as well?

 

[tooextracool]

Tresco is weak outside off-stump (must have played and missed 25 times today)

to be fair, i think almost every player played and missed a fair few times. theres not much you can do when the ball that seams moves several inches.

The main problem, IMO, is that we are yet to play a decent side on a decent wicket. Bristol, Durham, green-top Lords, and below-par Headingley are hardly conducive
to batting confidence.

i cant see any reason why bristol, durham or edgbaston werent decent wickets.

 

[marc71178]

Thirdly, all bowlers bar Collingwood, Symonds and Lee/McGrath bowled crap yesterday.

Oh dear, so all England's front-line bowlers bowler crap, whereas most of Australia's overs weren't crap, yet England cruised home by 9 wickets with 4 overs to spare...

 

[tooextracool]

Aaaah no.

Aus has batted first on 2 consecutive green-tops.

England has had by far the better of onditions in those games.

are you serious?
i'll give you that england had the better of the conditions yesterday, but to say that they had the better of the conditions at Lords where they were 33/5 is quite ludicrous. it was glaringly obvious at Lords that the weather and the pitch remained similar throughout the course of the game.
and i think that the aussies shouldnt really be complaining, given that they had the better of the conditions in the first 2 games against england especially when england had to bat under the lights at durham with the new ball moving around all over the place.

 

[tooextracool]

Very little to not at all. Symonds never moves it that much mind you, but had it been overcast he would have swung it some, which he didn't at all with the sun out. Collingwood moved the ball all over the place in conditions perfectly suited to his bowling.

since when does symonds swing the ball?

 

[tooextracool]

Thirdly, all bowlers bar Collingwood, Symonds and Lee/McGrath bowled crap yesterday.

i think its definetly arguable as to whether lee and mcgrath didnt bowl crap yesterday. mcgrath for the large part bowled too short, much like the england bowlers did.

 

[tooextracool]

If it pitched on leg stump, one has to ask why he was playing a cut shot.

actually he wasnt playing a cut shot. he opened the face of the bat to try and guide it to third man.