*Official* India v West Indies Tests & ODIs

[Rik]

Originally posted by Tim
I think England is due to go there sometime in the next year & a half.
But i wouldn't count on the wins being easy..lol.
The West Indies especially in the One-Dayers are tricky to beat at home.

Yeah I was kidding but sheesh! It's gotta be easier than Aus...

 

[wahindiawah]

Originally posted by Rik

Originally posted by wahindiawah
I never said that England faced a totally different WI team then, you may find some names in that series which was drawn 1-1. The names you won't find in that series are Samuels, Hooper,Chanderpaul,Lawson,Collins & Cuffy. I do think by excluding these players,WI team will be weakened considerably.
As for the ranking, if you go strickly by it then its good enough for all of us, as England aren't placed much higher.

[Edited on 29/11/2002 by wahindiawah]

Yes but England haven't been toated as favorites for the World Cup by any of their fans...

Thats hardly the subject over here, there is another posts for Indian being WC favorites, better use thead for it!

 

[Rik]

Originally posted by wahindiawah

Originally posted by Rik

Originally posted by wahindiawah
I never said that England faced a totally different WI team then, you may find some names in that series which was drawn 1-1. The names you won't find in that series are Samuels, Hooper,Chanderpaul,Lawson,Collins & Cuffy. I do think by excluding these players,WI team will be weakened considerably.
As for the ranking, if you go strickly by it then its good enough for all of us, as England aren't placed much higher.

[Edited on 29/11/2002 by wahindiawah]

Yes but England haven't been toated as favorites for the World Cup by any of their fans...

Thats hardly the subject over here, there is another posts for Indian being WC favorites, better use thead for it!

So? Its relevent the the line of conversation.

 

[marc71178]

Originally posted by wahindiawah

Yes, but to a very different WI team than the one which England faced on last occasion.Still India's record stands good, have lost just 5 of the last 20 onedayers

Which counts the never played ICC final as 2 games!

If you count the last 20 results, it's 6, which is still good, but those 20 games have been against:

Zimbabwe (twice)
West Indies (10 times)
England (4 times)
South Africa (once)
Sri Lanka (3 times)

The SL team was in complete disarray, and missing Murali.

So the stat looks good, but if you look deeper, it's no less than you should expect!

 

[Neil Pickup]

Stats for you.. anyway, time to un-top this thread as the series is over.

 

[wahindiawah]

Originally posted by marc71178

Originally posted by wahindiawah

Yes, but to a very different WI team than the one which England faced on last occasion.Still India's record stands good, have lost just 5 of the last 20 onedayers

Which counts the never played ICC final as 2 games!

If you count the last 20 results, it's 6, which is still good, but those 20 games have been against:

Zimbabwe (twice)
West Indies (10 times)
England (4 times)
South Africa (once)
Sri Lanka (3 times)

The SL team was in complete disarray, and missing Murali.

So the stat looks good, but if you look deeper, it's no less than you should expect!

Had those finas been completed, India would have won it! As for SL missing Murali, well India was missing Sachin/Khan and Ganguly in the last series against WI.

No , it does look good buddy

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

India were also playing at home where they are very hard to beat. Give the WI some credit. They too were missing Lara as well as Dillon, Cuffy and Collins. Yet they won the finals. Don't forget as well that Hooper and Chanderpaul were struggling with injuries. It evens off.

If there's a team that is disadvantaged by injury, it's England. Now Silverwood may be down. He just arrived!!....as a replacement!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[wahindiawah]

Originally posted by Mr Mxyzptlk
India were also playing at home where they are very hard to beat. Give the WI some credit. They too were missing Lara as well as Dillon, Cuffy and Collins. Yet they won the finals. Don't forget as well that Hooper and Chanderpaul were struggling with injuries. It evens off.

If there's a team that is disadvantaged by injury, it's England. Now Silverwood may be down. He just arrived!!....as a replacement!!!!!!!!!!!

I give full credit to WI for winning the series, as i have said earlier that WI is now a much better team then it was a year back.However as for injuries, i would like to point out that Khan,Ganguly and Sachin are the top Indian cricketers, Dillon,Cuffy and Collins aren't the best windies players.As for Hooper struggling with injuries, then so was Dravid! It certainly wasn't even off!

As for England, they are at a crisis, and it doesn't looks likly to get over soon.They will have to learn to live without their top bowlers coz some of them are out for long!

 

[marc71178]

Had those finas been completed, India would have won it! As for SL missing Murali, well India was missing Sachin/Khan and Ganguly in the last series against WI.

No team IMO relies more on one bowler than SL on Murali. There was also the fact they just didn't want to be there playing after being thrashed in the Tests!

 

[wahindiawah]

Originally posted by marc71178

Had those finas been completed, India would have won it! As for SL missing Murali, well India was missing Sachin/Khan and Ganguly in the last series against WI.

No team IMO relies more on one bowler than SL on Murali. There was also the fact they just didn't want to be there playing after being thrashed in the Tests!

The same used to be said about Indian cricket team, that they relies on Sachin, thankfully its no longer the case.
India does play Murali better than other teams, SL had murali in the CT, and had the finals been completed, India would most probably had won it!

 

[SRTgrSDB]

I wonder what SL are going to do after Murali retires? they ceratainly can't survive without Murali, and once he leave the field, they are going to be in trouble, shame really!

 

[Rik]

Originally posted by wahindiawah
Dillon,Cuffy and Collins aren't the best windies players

Errrm...Dillon is the top WIndies bowler and a very fine bowler at that...

 

[wahindiawah]

Agreed on Dillon, however the bowler who replaced Dillon ,"Lawson" , was instrumental in WI win and is a much better bowler .Unfortunately for India, there isn't a single good replacement for Zaheer!

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Zaheer still has a bit to prove before he can be considered a "top" player. Ganguly too is a bit inconsistent. Tendulkar I am agreed on, he is the master.

 

[Bazza]

You can't say Lawson is a better bowler than Dillon - he's just a kid. Dillon is a very good bowler, and Lara a world class batsman. These two are the equivalent of Zaheer and Tendulkar.

 

[marc71178]

No , it does look good buddy

If you consider 14 wins in 20 games, 19 of which were against oppositon considerably worse on paper than India as looking good, I suppose it does yes.

 

[wahindiawah]

Originally posted by Mr Mxyzptlk
Zaheer still has a bit to prove before he can be considered a "top" player. Ganguly too is a bit inconsistent. Tendulkar I am agreed on, he is the master.

Ganguly has a batting ave of 43.6 with 19 tons and 50 fifties, and you think he's not a top onedayer player?? Well if that is inconsistent then there is only a handful of players that can be considered good

I said Zaheer khan was India's top bowler, not World's best!

 

[wahindiawah]

Originally posted by Bazzaroodoo
You can't say Lawson is a better bowler than Dillon - he's just a kid. Dillon is a very good bowler, and Lara a world class batsman. These two are the equivalent of Zaheer and Tendulkar.

Well Sachin is definately better than Lara And India missed Ganguly badly, which is a world class oneday opener!

On Dillon, he is a good bowler but isn't that great, i would still say that in the longer run Lawson will prove to be WI best bet!

 

[wahindiawah]

Originally posted by marc71178

No , it does look good buddy

If you consider 14 wins in 20 games, 19 of which were against oppositon considerably worse on paper than India as looking good, I suppose it does yes.

Its not India's fault if teams like SA and Aus weren't able to qualify for the CT final, one can't choose one's opponents.

As for 14 wins in 20 onedayers, Australia also have 14 wins in 20 onedayers, and the opponents were said to be considerably worse than Aus on Paper!
I suppose the chances for Aus also doesn't look so good:frog:

[Edited on 30/11/2002 by wahindiawah]

 

[Gotchya]

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