*Official* India v West Indies Tests & ODIs

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

I still think Ganguly is a bit inconsistent over the last couple of years. He's been streaky, on form at times (usually at home) and horribly out of form at other times. Don't get me wrong, I think he's a good player but...

 

[wahindiawah]

Originally posted by Mr Mxyzptlk
I still think Ganguly is a bit inconsistent over the last couple of years. He's been streaky, on form at times (usually at home) and horribly out of form at other times. Don't get me wrong, I think he's a good player but...

I don't know what you are talking about , we have stats which prove that you are dead wrong, lets see.

Ganguly's overall ave 43.6
Playing abroad :43.92

His ave in last 20 oneday played abroad is 49.88!

If you think his ave is unimpressive then i'm speechless. A batter cannot score runs every time he go out to bat, Ganguly is one of the best opener in oneday cricket.

Ganguly though had been struggling in test cricket untill sometime back, i think you were mixed up b/w the 2 formats of the game and was referring to his performance in Test cricket

 

[Gotchya]

I still think Ganguly is a bit inconsistent over the last couple of years. He's been streaky, on form at times (usually at home) and horribly out of form at other times. Don't get me wrong, I think he's a good player but...

Doesn't matter though...with all the batters around him he can afford to be streaky. Mind you, he's come upp with good innings. He's at the top of my list of playes who will struggle in SA

 

[V Reddy]

But Sourav was the most of all the batsman when India were in Saf scoring a century and 80 odd vs Saf in 3 matches. He also played well in Aus when Ind were there in 00 scoring 2 100's in the C & U Series. He mostly plays well in bouncy pitches .

 

[wahindiawah]

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Doesn't matter though...with all the batters around him he can afford to be streaky. Mind you, he's come upp with good innings. He's at the top of my list of playes who will struggle in SA [/quote]


Thats very strange, Ganguly have performed well in SA.lets have a look,

His overall ave :43.6
Ave in SA :43.92 with 6 tons and 14 50's!!! Doesn't look that bad to me

 

[Bazza]

Originally posted by wahindiawahWell Sachin is definately better than Lara And India missed Ganguly badly, which is a world class oneday opener!

On Dillon, he is a good bowler but isn't that great, i would still say that in the longer run Lawson will prove to be WI best bet!

Well if we're talking about ODIs, lets consider players' records against other mutual competitive test playing nations (Aus, Eng, NZ, Pak, SA, SL), look at this:

Tendulkar 41.23 from 217 innings, 41x50s, 22x100s.
Lara 43.93 from 180 innings, 39x50s, 13x100s.

Admittedly when you include Sachins 4 centuries against Kenya he averages 44 to Lara's 42, but the point is it's not fair to say Tendulkar is definitely better than him.

Also maybe Lawson will become a better bowler, in which case he will be great, but you said he IS better than Dillon, presumably on the basis of what, one game?

Incidentally Dillon averages 30 in tests and 29 in ODIs which is wholly acceptable for a 28 year old who got off to a bad start playing in a weak team. He's ranked 12th in tests and 15th in ODIs at the moment which ain't bad.

 

[wahindiawah]

Fair enough on Tendulkar-Lara, as for Lawson, i said that IN THE LONGER RUN, he will prove to be WI's best bet.Thats what Walsh said recently, if that doesn't happen than that will be a real shame because WI doesn't have a single match winning bowler in their team!

 

[Bazza]

Originally posted by wahindiawahAgreed on Dillon, however the bowler who replaced Dillon ,"Lawson" , was instrumental in WI win and is a much better bowler. Unfortunately for India, there isn't a single good replacement for Zaheer!

That's what you said. It's right there. "Lawson is a much better bowler than Dillon".

 

[Gotchya]

Thats very strange,

why so ?

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Dillon is the most experienced of the West Indian attack and undoubtedly the spearhead. Whilst Lawson is one for the future, I think Dillon still has alot to offer WI cricket. Young Darren Powell is also a decent prospect but he should be given one or two more first class seasons to mature.

Minus the tour of Sri Lanka when all the bowlers struggled on the flat pitches, Dillon's last couple of years have been pretty decent.

Mat O R W BBI BBM Ave
16 636.5 1803 66 5/71 8/123 27.31

 

[wahindiawah]

Originally posted by Bazzaroodoo

Originally posted by wahindiawahAgreed on Dillon, however the bowler who replaced Dillon ,"Lawson" , was instrumental in WI win and is a much better bowler. Unfortunately for India, there isn't a single good replacement for Zaheer!

That's what you said. It's right there. "Lawson is a much better bowler than Dillon".

Well i did modified my statement later on which you have tried best to ignore.
BTW, Dillon is 28 and i don't think he can improve much, he's a mediocre bowler at best!

 

[Bazza]

Well as the post before your last one shows he has had a decent couple of years. If that's mediocre, then I'd love to have a mediocre test career.

 

[Rik]

Originally posted by wahindiawah
Well i did modified my statement later on which you have tried best to ignore.
BTW, Dillon is 28 and i don't think he can improve much, he's a mediocre bowler at best!

I think you will find it is far superior to any Indian pacer for quite a while...even Zaheer...:P

 

[Anil]

Originally posted by wahindiawah
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Doesn't matter though...with all the batters around him he can afford to be streaky. Mind you, he's come upp with good innings. He's at the top of my list of playes who will struggle in SA [/quote]


Thats very strange, Ganguly have performed well in SA.lets have a look,

His overall ave :43.6
Ave in SA :43.92 with 6 tons and 14 50's!!! Doesn't look that bad to me [/quote]

That's true. All the while when he was struggling in tests, he was never out of form in onedayers and has an exceptional average....and yes, he had a very good one day tournament in SA with SA and Kenya and batted very well against SA. Gotchya, your assumption doesn't have any statistical evidence to support it, on the contrary, all the evidence is against it.

 

[wahindiawah]

Originally posted by Bazzaroodoo
Well as the post before your last one shows he has had a decent couple of years. If that's mediocre, then I'd love to have a mediocre test career.

Well then you surely sets a low standard in life! Dillon is relatively better(when compared with present WI pacers) but he's not great, nor is a match winning bowler.

 

[Rik]

Originally posted by wahindiawah

Originally posted by Bazzaroodoo
Well as the post before your last one shows he has had a decent couple of years. If that's mediocre, then I'd love to have a mediocre test career.

Well then you surely sets a low standard in life! Dillon is relatively better(when compared with present WI pacers) but he's not great, nor is a match winning bowler.

Low standard in life? Sheesh Dillon is a class act! He's certianly better than "greatest left armer in the world" Zaheer Khan any day. Also you could argue he is under even more pressure as his side's batting is weaker than India's...but the same could be said about Heath Streak. That is why I respect both so much, though Streak more

 

[marc71178]

Well then you surely sets a low standard in life! Dillon is relatively better(when compared with present WI pacers) but he's not great, nor is a match winning bowler.

Interesting that - he's currently rated the equal of Gillespie in Tests, and above the likes of Ntini, Srinath, Caddick, Lee, Khan, Hoggard, Wasim and good old AA (number 56, and outside the top 100 batsmen as well)

 

[wahindiawah]

Originally posted by Rik
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Low standard in life? Sheesh Dillon is a class act! He's certianly better than "greatest left armer in the world" Zaheer Khan any day. Also you could argue he is under even more pressure as his side's batting is weaker than India's...but the same could be said about Heath Streak. That is why I respect both so much, though Streak more

What amazes me is how you just persists with the comparison of Dillon with Zaheer Khan, Khan isn't an accomplised bowler so whats the point in the comparison?

As for class act, how many calss pacers have an ave greter than 30 in test cricket?? Dillon has 2 hauls of 5 wkts in test cricket, yeah man i'm speechless.And i wonder as to why Ambrose has repeatidly critisize Dillon and Co? Well i guess he was getting jealous of the great Pacer!



[Edited on 4/12/2002 by wahindiawah]

 

[wahindiawah]

[Edited on 4/12/2002 by wahindiawah]

 

[wahindiawah]

Originally posted by marc71178
Interesting that - he's currently rated the equal of Gillespie in Tests, and above the likes of Ntini, Srinath, Caddick, Lee, Khan, Hoggard, Wasim and good old AA (number 56, and outside the top 100 batsmen as well)

LOL! Waseem doesn't play test cricket now and Srinath isn't in the team and will never play test match again, so whats the point in comparison? maybe next time you should compare him with Bothom, Lillee and even Tyson.
Dillon isn't even 1/10th of a bowler Waseem and Srinath were in the prime!
Fair enough about Hoggrad, i never rated him highly, though Lee is certainly better than Dillon.But saying that Jason is at par with Dillon is absurd, Jason is a one of the best pacers in the World, Dillon isn't.Have a look at their stats,
Dillon M :30 Wkts:112 ave:30.38 st/rt .61!! 5 wkts:2

Jason M:37 wkts:137 ave :26.1 st/rt :51.7 5wkt :6!!