**Official** India v Pakistan

[GladiatrsInBlue]

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Didn't I read a thread that you created that said Dhoni is better than Gilchrist after he hit ONE century?

I have been following MSD's career since some time now, he has always impressed me and like Srinath said recently that guy like MSD should have been given international cap along time back.I didn't based my asumptions on just one innings, i firmly belive that the guy is here to stay and has a great future.

It doesn't make sense to compare Afridi to MSD or Sehwag to SKA. I never disputed Afridi's talent, but the fact that he has been highly inconsistent suggest that he doesn't do justice with his talent .

 

[SJS]

BTW SJS, you have lovely dogs! I`ve been admiring them in other threads, very cute.

Thanks. Yes they are absolute darlings

 

[Nate]

It doesn't make sense to compare Afridi to MSD or Sehwag to SKA.

Or Dhoni to Gilchrist?

Do you think he should replace Karthik in the test team? And why?

 

[Magrat Garlick]

I have been following MSD's career since some time now, he has always impressed me and like Srinath said recently that guy like MSD should have been given international cap along time back.I didn't based my asumptions on just one innings, i firmly belive that the guy is here to stay and has a great future.

It doesn't make sense to compare Afridi to MSD or Sehwag to SKA. I never disputed Afridi's talent, but the fact that he has been highly inconsistent suggest that he doesn't do justice with his talent .

8, 40, 26, 17, 102, 31, 0
7*, 47, 12, 148, 3, 0, 28

Which of these sets of scores are most inconsistent?

 

[GladiatrsInBlue]

It was big of you to ignore the post above...

Sehwag has been rather under-used thus far, if you don`t believe me ask SJS!

Its about opinions, i respect urs but doesn't agree with it. To me playing with 7 bastmen and 4 bowlers is being very defensive.India should play with 6 batsmen, 4 bowlers and a specialist allrounder.

 

[GladiatrsInBlue]

8, 40, 26, 17, 102, 31, 0
7*, 47, 12, 148, 3, 0, 28

Which of these sets of scores are most inconsistent?

If you think Afridi has not been inconsistent then what can i say? , comming upwith figues from a brief period doesn't suggest much.

 

[Nate]

Its about opinions, i respect urs but doesn't agree with it. To me playing with 7 bastmen and 4 bowlers is being very defensive.India should play with 6 batsmen, 4 bowlers and a specialist allrounder.

It`s good that you respect it... but do you understand it? I never said I think that they should have those bowling arrangements, but rather that Sehwag hasn`t been used much this series.

Do you count Dhoni as one of those 6 batsmen? And who for an all-rounder?

 

[SJS]

I have been following MSD's career since some time now, he has always impressed me and like Srinath said recently that guy like MSD should have been given international cap along time back.I didn't based my asumptions on just one innings, i firmly belive that the guy is here to stay and has a great future.

It doesn't make sense to compare Afridi to MSD or Sehwag to SKA. I never disputed Afridi's talent, but the fact that he has been highly inconsistent suggest that he doesn't do justice with his talent .

My dear you have to decide first whether you want to discuss serious cricket AND have fun by pulling (in a friendly manner) other peoples legs once in a while or do you just want to come here and scream about the virtues of the team ypou support and make them sound so super human that they lose all credibility.

Its no use your trying to explain what you said earlier. How does it matter ? People have a formed an opinion of what you stand for and you have to ask yourself why it is so. If you think it doesnt matter what they think of your opinion, then dont even try explaining.

Thats all I have to say.

PS : Talking totally illogically , failing to see reality and refusing to discuss it in a well thought out manner doesnt make one more patriotic than those who do. Even that silly girl on LG and Fair and Lovely Fourth Umpire programme before and after the games behaves like a besotted cheer leader expecting the Indians to win every match and all Indians to score centuries but no one who switches on their television sets to watch some cricket and understands the game takes her seriously.

She is just there, period.

 

[Magrat Garlick]

If you think Afridi has not been inconsistent then what can i say? , comming upwith figues from a brief period doesn't suggest much.

I'm not saying that. I'm saying that Dhoni has been equally inconsistent.

 

[GladiatrsInBlue]

It`s good that you respect it... but do you understand it? I never said I think that they should have those bowling arrangements, but rather that Sehwag hasn`t been used much this series.

Do you count Dhoni as one of those 6 batsmen? And who for an all-rounder?

To answer your first question, i'm not interested in whether Sehwag is under utilize or not, i was talking about a bowling allrounder.

Dhoni should obviously be one of the 7 batters and not 6, one specialist batsmen should be thrown out of team. As for allrounder, i''m not sure but i think Powar should be given another chance.

 

[SJS]

I'm not saying that. I'm saying that Dhoni has been equally inconsistent.

Lets be fair. The best we can say is, Dhoni hasnt played long enough for a considered opinion to be formed. He has played four innings at number three and done reasonably well. Its not incosistent but nor is it something to keep raving about.

He has done enough to have the captain and the selectors to wake up and give him a good long look and , I hope, a good long trial, and feel happy that we have along with Dinesh Karthik another wicket keeper we can feel good about. This is great news for India.

Thats about it. No more no less.

 

[Magrat Garlick]

Lets be fair. The best we can say is, Dhoni hasnt played long enough for a considered opinion to be formed. He has played four innings at number three and done reasonably well. Its not incosistent but nor is it something to keep raving about.

He has done enough to have the captain and the selectors to wake up and give him a good long look and , I hope, a good long trial, and feel happy that we have along with Dinesh Karthik another wicket keeper we can feel good about. This is great news for India.

Thats about it. No more no less.

Agreed. Probably was a bit harsh on him...

 

[Nate]

To answer your first question, i'm not interested in whether Sehwag is under utilize or not, i was talking about a bowling allrounder.

Haha but that`s not what I meant!

*sigh*

 

[Arjun]

• What was the point in getting in a seventh batsman when the last thing they needed was an extra batsman? Agreed, they lost a few early wickets, but it was all their own doing. Their main problem here was the Afridi onslaught and those partnerships built after that. They're not taking enough wickets! How can an extra batsman in the side help? Picked for his bowling? Four overs for 35 runs? They already have Sehwag, who can do a lot more, a lot longer.
• Nehra's exclusion was baffling, after having taken 8 wickets in 4 matches at under 28 apiece, and having smashed the stumps at least once in two good throws from the infield- both getting runouts. Just watching Balaji in action, one can guess the vital ingredient missing in the Indian attack- PACE. They're all just medium/medium-fast and they can't take a burst of four or five wickets, nor can they get one out of the blue- with Afridi going great guns, the Indian team needed both, and only an express pacer can provide them.
• Maybe now Mohammed Kaif's critics will realise the value of the so-called "I'm a great fielder" jokes. Not only did he build a vital partnership to rescue his team from a tight spot, but also pulled off a stunner, running sideways to take an extraordinary catch. He's a much better batsman than these critics say he is, and should be backed, promoted to the top six, rather than wait and watch at number 7. Catches like those can win matches.
• Kumble's first over went for over 23 runs, but the next 9 just got 27 for just two wickets. Good comeback for the veteran leggie. A pity he lacked support. Harbhajan, on the other hand, is bowling that negative line again.
• A section of the fans will blame Dravid's captaincy for this defeat, but this is just one match! What difference will that make?

 

[GladiatrsInBlue]

Haha but that`s not what I meant!

*sigh*

whatever

 

[GladiatrsInBlue]

Its no use your trying to explain what you said earlier. How does it matter ? .

Almost everyone has been does that here and there, including you youself in the thread about Dhoni and tremors .

 

[Arjun]

PS : Talking totally illogically , failing to see reality and refusing to discuss it in a well thought out manner doesnt make one more patriotic than those who do. Even that silly girl on LG and Fair and Lovely Fourth Umpire programme before and after the games behaves like a besotted cheer leader expecting the Indians to win every match and all Indians to score centuries but no one who switches on their television sets to watch some cricket and understands the game takes her seriously.

She is just there, period.

Welcome to the club.

Frankly, the only excuse I can think of for the existence of that awful show is the so-called new wave of cricket programming, started by EXTRAAAAAAAUGHH Innings on MAX. It's bad enough when Sony does this, but when DoorDarshan, known for is pathetic coverage of cricket matches (and just about anything), does the same, it feels a lot worse. Take a look at the "Shaz, Waz and all that Jazz" thread I started last year. It's about such programming.

 

[Nate]

• What was the point in getting in a seventh batsman when the last thing they needed was an extra batsman? Agreed, they lost a few early wickets, but it was all their own doing. Their main problem here was the Afridi onslaught and those partnerships built after that. They're not taking enough wickets! How can an extra batsman in the side help? Picked for his bowling? Four overs for 35 runs? They already have Sehwag, who can do a lot more, a lot longer.
• Nehra's exclusion was baffling, after having taken 8 wickets in 4 matches at under 28 apiece, and having smashed the stumps at least once in two good throws from the infield- both getting runouts. Just watching Balaji in action, one can guess the vital ingredient missing in the Indian attack- PACE. They're all just medium/medium-fast and they can't take a burst of four or five wickets, nor can they get one out of the blue- with Afridi going great guns, the Indian team needed both, and only an express pacer can provide them.
• Maybe now Mohammed Kaif's critics will realise the value of the so-called "I'm a great fielder" jokes. Not only did he build a vital partnership to rescue his team from a tight spot, but also pulled off a stunner, running sideways to take an extraordinary catch. He's a much better batsman than these critics say he is, and should be backed, promoted to the top six, rather than wait and watch at number 7. Catches like those can win matches.
• Kumble's first over went for over 23 runs, but the next 9 just got 27 for just two wickets. Good comeback for the veteran leggie. A pity he lacked support. Harbhajan, on the other hand, is bowling that negative line again.
• A section of the fans will blame Dravid's captaincy for this defeat, but this is just one match! What difference will that make?

Well structured, well organised points. Interesting thinking...

Kaif should be up the order, permanently. And leaving Nehra out! Why?

 

[SJS]

Almost everyone has been does that here and there, including you youself in the thread about Dhoni and tremors .

Sure I do.

But then it matters to me that those I talk with dont think I am biased. At least those I like to talk cricket with. It doesnt matter if they disagree with my opinions. Thats fair enough but I really care if people think I am biased because I pride myself not on my being always right but on my being unbiased/ So I explain to them.

Do you think it matters to you ? Thats the question I am asking.

If it does. Then good. But when you tell me I put the curse on India and ME and MY Afridi, it doesnt sound like that

 

[deeps]

• A section of the fans will blame Dravid's captaincy for this defeat, but this is just one match! What difference will that make?

how can you blame the captain? 250 runs was not enough on this pitch... a score of 280 would have been ideal, i don't care what they said about the pitch, the evidence was there to be seen. The ball wasn't coming onto the bat as well, but the bounce was consistent and not much turn in the 1st innings.

either way, afridi ripped the game out of india's hands and there is nothing any captian can do when that guy is on fire. The only thing he probably should have tried is bowling tendulkar in the first 15 when afridi was on fire.

Tendulkar and Sehwag should bowl the 5th bowlers alloted overs, as they are both very underused and under rated.

mongia and yuvraj should not be bowling unless things get desperate.