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**Official** India v Pakistan
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PAKMAN
State 12th Man
lol great post mateJono said:I think if you recall back to the early posts in this thread, and all the other threads heading into this series, there are two people in particular that have egg on their face, and you Pakistani fans should be having a laugh at.
I won't bother to mention their names, I just hope they show their faces again. This is coming from an Indian fan too. Although I would have loved India to win the series, its going to be fun seeing the reactions of those two.
thats y i respect sehwag309 he doesnt like giving a mouth full b4 the match has even started
PAKMAN
State 12th Man
great fight back by pakistan ,and all in all one of the best series iv seen ,so much for the cricket lovers to enjoy who says test cricket is dull
but i have to admit that i coudnt watch when tendulker and laxman were playing id change channels and hoped to see wickets down when i change it back was very tensed
but i have to admit that i coudnt watch when tendulker and laxman were playing id change channels and hoped to see wickets down when i change it back was very tensed
Pratters
Cricket, Lovely Cricket
I think the key problem was the initial attempt by India to chase the target. The same was said by Sehwag today and Laxman yesterday.
It was highly improbable that India would win on the 4th day considering the runs and the run rate ate which to get them and the history of chasing a score at this rate not being done before on a 5th day.
The players should have batted normally which was the right thing to do. But mentally if you try and chase the target, you will not bat normally and give your wicket away eventually.
And then the Indians went into too much of a defensive mode. Tendulkar being Tendulkar could cope with such a situation ably playing 98 balls. The others could when they switched their natural game.
A lot of credit should be given to Inzamam on a very intellegent declaration which fooled the Indians into believing maybe they can win.
It was highly improbable that India would win on the 4th day considering the runs and the run rate ate which to get them and the history of chasing a score at this rate not being done before on a 5th day.
The players should have batted normally which was the right thing to do. But mentally if you try and chase the target, you will not bat normally and give your wicket away eventually.
And then the Indians went into too much of a defensive mode. Tendulkar being Tendulkar could cope with such a situation ably playing 98 balls. The others could when they switched their natural game.
A lot of credit should be given to Inzamam on a very intellegent declaration which fooled the Indians into believing maybe they can win.
Arjun
Cricketer Of The Year
A team written off after the defeat in Kolkata came back strongly in the third and final Test, right from the first day, even when they started at 7 for 2. A giant partnership of over 300 followed, then more big partnerships, as they made 570 in all, with Younis Khan's 264 standing out. They then bowled out the Indians for a little over 440, then put together more big partnerships, setting the Indians a stiff target on the final day- the Indians could at least hang on- but they couldn't. And they ask, "What went wrong here?"
You should have known- at least three years ago. They have made the same mistakes far too long, be it home, or away. A comparison of each player's performance with that of his opposition number will tell you what went wrong, and it's the same thing that's been going wrong right from their tour of Zimbabwe in 2001.
The only positive for the Indians, apart from loads of negatives, was the opening partnership of Sehwag and Gambhir. Although Gambhir did not have too many big scores (he still finished with a score over 50), he gave Sehwag valuable support as there were not one, not two, but four stands of over 80 for the series, including a century partnership. Gambhir tried to get into a shell once too often in this match, and should have let rip once in a while, or just tip and run over, then save his best for the spinners, as he did against the Proteas. The Pakistani openers were a lot less consistent, though as many as four were tried in three matches, with Shahid Afridi being the most effective with his unconventional style.
Save the phenomenal performances by Sehwag, they had done nothing of note as a batting side, as four highly illustrious batsmen to follow. The Pakistani middle-order batted with a positive intent and a plan that paid off. They tapped the ball in gaps and ran hard, and hit only the boundary balls for four or six. They tried to occupy the crease as much as possible, while making it productive. In comparison, the Indian middle-order played out far too many dot balls, in a manner that could be best described as apprehensive. After spending a rather long time without doing much, they played needless, rash shots to get out. Some of them were giving catching practice to the fielders.
Neither team's lower order did much, though Younis Khan showed how to bat with the tail. He struck the ball hard, looking for fours, then rotated the strike, but he had confidence in the batting of the man at the other end. In contrast, Sachin played like a small man put on the mat by a Sumo heavyweight, and that was what cost the team time, runs, a few brownie poitnts and thus the match. Inzamam batted with a lot of maturity and still kept up a good strike rate, showing his opposition number how it's done. But Ganguly is one of the worst learners around- he doesn't know what shot to play, against whom, when, and doesn't even care a whistle for singles. Laxman was a slight exception, since he played a good, tough innings under pressure, but couldn't repeat it in the second innings.
Kamran Akmal gave his bowlers, particularly the spinners, good support and gave little away, and the 26 runs he made boosted a partnership with Younis. In constrast, Dinesh Karthik was dreadful behind the stumps as he let one bye to the boundary too many, and his apprehensive batting didn't help his team when they needed it. The Indian selectors should forget about a wicketkeeper who can bat. They need to find a wicketkeeper who can keep instead.
The bowling attacks of both sides were sub-par, but one of them was lucky to get away with 20 wickets. Pathan and Balaji were getting a hint of swing, but it was of little use on a flat pitch. Pathan, however, didn't help himself by bowling diagonally, and gievn his woeful form with ball and bat, he seems far from ready and needs a break- a long one, until he fine-tunes his bowling and batting skills, and gets more wickets and runs for Baroda and West Zone. Balaji was struggling since the Mohali Test and could do little, since the batsmen got used to his slow pace and predictable swing. Their opposition counterparts fared no better- Sami's no-ball counter kept ticking (though he was unplayable at some stages at his pace) and Abdul Razzaq had the same problems as the Indian medium-pacers.
Danish Kaneria is developing into a world-class leg-spinner and his 6 wickets on that flat deck are no easy feat, while his leg-spinning partner Shahid Afridi was a tad lucky- the Indian batsmen were playing the wrong shots against the faster leg-spinners that popped out in strange paths. On the other hand, Kumble struggled throughout the match, getting no bounce, no turn, little pace and no wickets- for over 150 runs in the first innings. Harbhajan bowled well to take six wickets, but was not used properly in the second innings, where he went for lots of runs with a field full of gaps, while Arshad Khan didn't have much to show at the end of this match. The fielding of both teams was far from satisfactory, but the field settings for the Indian side wouldn't win too many matches, even with top class bowlers in their ranks.
The crowd for the match was one of the most biased you would ever find. Sure, cheer loudly for your team, applaud politely for the other, stay silent if things don't go your way, but please, don't cheer at someone else's mistake! Loud roars came each time a Pakistani bowled a no-ball. This looks (and sounds) bad on international television. They can't be blamed for booing and jeering Ganguly though- everyone's fed up with him, except, probably, the selectors.
A disappointing farewell for John Wright, the outgoing coach. Here is one man who knows how to go about things. He is a good man for a coach. He knows how important it is to stick to the basics. He cares a lot about match-fitness. He backs his players and is close to them. All of this would have made him a successful coach of a talented side with a few problems, but that was not to be, as far too many basic mistakes were made and there was no planning or research before or during any series. No point looking at what could have been achieved, they must look ahead, when the new coach steps in.
You should have known- at least three years ago. They have made the same mistakes far too long, be it home, or away. A comparison of each player's performance with that of his opposition number will tell you what went wrong, and it's the same thing that's been going wrong right from their tour of Zimbabwe in 2001.
The only positive for the Indians, apart from loads of negatives, was the opening partnership of Sehwag and Gambhir. Although Gambhir did not have too many big scores (he still finished with a score over 50), he gave Sehwag valuable support as there were not one, not two, but four stands of over 80 for the series, including a century partnership. Gambhir tried to get into a shell once too often in this match, and should have let rip once in a while, or just tip and run over, then save his best for the spinners, as he did against the Proteas. The Pakistani openers were a lot less consistent, though as many as four were tried in three matches, with Shahid Afridi being the most effective with his unconventional style.
Save the phenomenal performances by Sehwag, they had done nothing of note as a batting side, as four highly illustrious batsmen to follow. The Pakistani middle-order batted with a positive intent and a plan that paid off. They tapped the ball in gaps and ran hard, and hit only the boundary balls for four or six. They tried to occupy the crease as much as possible, while making it productive. In comparison, the Indian middle-order played out far too many dot balls, in a manner that could be best described as apprehensive. After spending a rather long time without doing much, they played needless, rash shots to get out. Some of them were giving catching practice to the fielders.
Neither team's lower order did much, though Younis Khan showed how to bat with the tail. He struck the ball hard, looking for fours, then rotated the strike, but he had confidence in the batting of the man at the other end. In contrast, Sachin played like a small man put on the mat by a Sumo heavyweight, and that was what cost the team time, runs, a few brownie poitnts and thus the match. Inzamam batted with a lot of maturity and still kept up a good strike rate, showing his opposition number how it's done. But Ganguly is one of the worst learners around- he doesn't know what shot to play, against whom, when, and doesn't even care a whistle for singles. Laxman was a slight exception, since he played a good, tough innings under pressure, but couldn't repeat it in the second innings.
Kamran Akmal gave his bowlers, particularly the spinners, good support and gave little away, and the 26 runs he made boosted a partnership with Younis. In constrast, Dinesh Karthik was dreadful behind the stumps as he let one bye to the boundary too many, and his apprehensive batting didn't help his team when they needed it. The Indian selectors should forget about a wicketkeeper who can bat. They need to find a wicketkeeper who can keep instead.
The bowling attacks of both sides were sub-par, but one of them was lucky to get away with 20 wickets. Pathan and Balaji were getting a hint of swing, but it was of little use on a flat pitch. Pathan, however, didn't help himself by bowling diagonally, and gievn his woeful form with ball and bat, he seems far from ready and needs a break- a long one, until he fine-tunes his bowling and batting skills, and gets more wickets and runs for Baroda and West Zone. Balaji was struggling since the Mohali Test and could do little, since the batsmen got used to his slow pace and predictable swing. Their opposition counterparts fared no better- Sami's no-ball counter kept ticking (though he was unplayable at some stages at his pace) and Abdul Razzaq had the same problems as the Indian medium-pacers.
Danish Kaneria is developing into a world-class leg-spinner and his 6 wickets on that flat deck are no easy feat, while his leg-spinning partner Shahid Afridi was a tad lucky- the Indian batsmen were playing the wrong shots against the faster leg-spinners that popped out in strange paths. On the other hand, Kumble struggled throughout the match, getting no bounce, no turn, little pace and no wickets- for over 150 runs in the first innings. Harbhajan bowled well to take six wickets, but was not used properly in the second innings, where he went for lots of runs with a field full of gaps, while Arshad Khan didn't have much to show at the end of this match. The fielding of both teams was far from satisfactory, but the field settings for the Indian side wouldn't win too many matches, even with top class bowlers in their ranks.
The crowd for the match was one of the most biased you would ever find. Sure, cheer loudly for your team, applaud politely for the other, stay silent if things don't go your way, but please, don't cheer at someone else's mistake! Loud roars came each time a Pakistani bowled a no-ball. This looks (and sounds) bad on international television. They can't be blamed for booing and jeering Ganguly though- everyone's fed up with him, except, probably, the selectors.
A disappointing farewell for John Wright, the outgoing coach. Here is one man who knows how to go about things. He is a good man for a coach. He knows how important it is to stick to the basics. He cares a lot about match-fitness. He backs his players and is close to them. All of this would have made him a successful coach of a talented side with a few problems, but that was not to be, as far too many basic mistakes were made and there was no planning or research before or during any series. No point looking at what could have been achieved, they must look ahead, when the new coach steps in.
SJS said:If he was feeling the urge to go to the toilet, he could have put that finger to better use
Bewildering decision that.Well played Pakistan. Brilliant comeback. Deserved loss for the Indians for their careless batting in the first innings and their cowardly display in the second innings.