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[adharcric]

Link please.

Don't worry, he'll find something and provide his Indian media-esque interpretation of it.
Remember how I was accused of calling Greg Chappell the messiah of Indian cricket and having an anti-Bengali agenda?

 

[Sanz]

Link please.

Oh sure I will provide you that, but before that you need to show us the link of the typical stereo-typical fans who said that :-

a. Munaf patel is faster than Shoaib Akhtar and Brett Lee Combined
b. India is the best team in the world, far better than Australia.

 

[Sanz]

Don't worry, he'll find something and provide his Indian media-esque interpretation of it.
Remember how I was accused of calling Greg Chappell the messiah of Indian cricket and having an anti-Bengali agenda?

adharcric - dont jump out of your pants without knowing what I am trying to say here. Jono has voiceferously argued that Irfan is an allrounder (visit Ind-Eng thread). Btw what role Freddie plays in English team ? After Pathan scored some runs vs. SL and Eng, Jono did the same, like a stereo-typical Indian fan jumped on the Pathan Wandwagon and made ridiculous claims about his abilities and guess who looks bad now ?
http://forum.cricketweb.net/showpost.php?p=668429&postcount=55
http://forum.cricketweb.net/showpost.php?p=628946&postcount=242

And Lastly, If you are going to ***** about Bengal and Bengalis just because Kolkata is in Bengal and Sourav Ganguly is Bengali then yes, I will continue to to say that you have an agenda against Bengalis.

 

[adharcric]

adharcric - dont jump out of your pants without knowing what I am trying to say here. Jono has voiceferously argued that Irfan is an allrounder (visit Ind-Eng thread). Btw what role Freddie plays in English team ? After Pathan scored some runs vs. SL and Eng, Jono did the same, like a stereo-typical Indian fan jumped on the Pathan Wandwagon and made ridiculous claims about his abilities and guess who looks bad now ?
http://forum.cricketweb.net/showpost.php?p=668429&postcount=55
http://forum.cricketweb.net/showpost.php?p=628946&postcount=242

I just read those posts and I was right - you stretched the facts with your skewed little interpretation. Let's see, you somehow turned "Pathan certainly isn't a genuine all-rounder yet" into "vociferously argued that Irfan is an allrounder". The only thing Jono says in these posts is that Pathan has shown promise and potential with the bat (please don't tell me he hasn't); just because Flintoff is mentioned doesn't mean he's claiming that Pathan is India's answer to Flintoff. You did this with Dhoni too. Someone simply compared Dhoni's and Gilchrist's averages and you went crazy saying that Dhoni is nothing in comparison to Gilchrist yet; you take one statement and stretch it to the limit so that you can make someone else look stupid. Smart.

And Lastly, If you are going to ***** about Bengal and Bengalis just because Kolkata is in Bengal and Sourav Ganguly is Bengali then yes, I will continue to to say that you have an agenda against Bengalis.

You know, I thought you had gotten over this inner ghost that keeps telling you that I hate Bengalis. Obviously I was wrong. I won't go into this issue because it's been beaten to death already. I won't even ask you to show me a post where I said **** about Bengal and Bengalis because I know you'll come up with some new trash, as usual.

 

[Dasa]

^Where has Jono exactly 'jumped on the bandwagon', as you put it? And what are these ridiculous claims?

Whilst Pathan is far from a genuine allrounder yet, he most certainly can bat, as many people who saw Pathan from the VB Series onwards have tried to point out. Those replies that he cannot bat simply because he isn't as precious as England's Flintoff look mighty stupid now. Gee I'd like to dig many of them up, but I'll just settle with this one.

http://aus.cricinfo.com/db/NEW/LIVE/...14DEC2005.html

And his spell of bowling was lovely as well. He's obviously got a long way to go, with the bat and ball in his career, and that's the exciting bit for Indian cricket.

Now where are the ridiculous claims? As far as I can see, Jono has made none, which is more than can be said for you:

I am pretty sure this Indian bowling will win the WORST INDIAN ATTACK ever by a huge margin.

Munaf and VRV must go back to domestic cricket and start learning to bowl all over again. They remind me of Shabir Ahmad, no brains, no stamina, no line/length - very raw at everything they do. No wonder Mumbai team kicked Munaf out.

Whoever sees them as our future should get his head examined.

Chappel/Dravid - I named both. Also their experimentation has gone too far. Zaheer/Nehra/Aa/Balaji at their worst are any day better than Munaf/Santh/Pathan/VRV.

For me, the later is clearly the worst Indian bowling attack of alltime.

 

[Dasa]

You know, I thought you had gotten over this inner ghost that keeps telling you that I hate Bengalis. Obviously I was wrong. I won't go into this issue because it's been beaten to death already. I won't even ask you to show me a post where I said **** about Bengal and Bengalis because I know you'll come up with some new trash, as usual.

I'm Bengali and I've never noticed anything anti-Bengali from you...but then again, I don't take offence at the slightest comment that has absolutely nothing to do with me or my heritage...

 

[adharcric]

There you go Sanz.

 

[Sanz]

^Where has Jono exactly 'jumped on the bandwagon', as you put it? And what are these ridiculous claims?
Now where are the ridiculous claims? As far as I can see, Jono has made none, which is more than can be said for you:

Dasa, If you have not followed Jono's posts on Irfan Pathan and his allrounder skills then may be you should either stay away from jumping into the deiscussion or try searching his posts or atleast dont make claims that Jono has made no claims about Irfan as allrounder.

Here is one for example :-

http://forum.cricketweb.net/showpost.php?p=709922&postcount=2287

"Anyone that doubted Pathan's batting ability in the past has conveniently stopped claiming that or just disappeared. He's an allrounder, who needs to improve on his bowling, and continues to improve with the bat. As far as I'm concerned he counts as a batsman in the team along with Sachin, Sehwag, Dravid, Kaif, Yuvraj and Dhoni."

There are many more, Marc and Neil can vouch for that.

 

[Sanz]

And I standby my comments about this Indian bowling attack of VRV/Santh/Munaf. They are the worst I have seen in last 25 years. If you can find a worse attack, then please let me know. They are very very raw at everything they do. Ever watched Munaf fielding ? VRV is very raw and needs to play couple of seasons in the domestic cricket. Santh wont last in test cricket for long either.

 

[adharcric]

Do you honestly think calling Pathan an all-rounder is that ridiculous Sanz?

 

[Sanz]

I just read those posts and I was right - you stretched the facts with your skewed little interpretation. Let's see, you somehow turned "Pathan certainly isn't a genuine all-rounder yet" into "vociferously argued that Irfan is an allrounder". The only thing Jono says in these posts is that Pathan has shown promise and potential with the bat (please don't tell me he hasn't); just because Flintoff is mentioned doesn't mean he's claiming that Pathan is India's answer to Flintoff. You did this with Dhoni too. Someone simply compared Dhoni's and Gilchrist's averages and you went crazy saying that Dhoni is nothing in comparison to Gilchrist yet; you take one statement and stretch it to the limit so that you can make someone else look stupid. Smart.
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Once again dont jump out of your pants..look for Jono's posts on Irfan's talent as allrounder (read my last post). Also, Try to read between the lines, India's answer to Flintoff means Irfan as an Indian allrounder not Irfan being as good as Flintoff something he will never be. If Pathan has shown so much promise then why is he not playing ? Mr. Chappel is not sure if he is going to play in the series at all.

And what has Dhoni done to deserve comparison with Gilchrist ? Gilly is an alltime WK who will walk into any World XI ODI or Test and Dhoni wont even make to this Indian lineup on his wicket keeping skills. At least dont compare him now, because you look like an idiot for even bringing that up now.

You have the habit of jumping the bandwagon - You jumped on Dhoni Bandwagon, then declared Munaf, Santh etc as future on Indian fast bowling. Their performance sucked then, it sucks now. If India is able to save the Antigua test, it would not be because of our bowling but because of our batting. Their true potential has been exaggerated because of our batting success in last 20 ODIs.

 

[Sanz]

Do you honestly think calling Pathan an all-rounder is that ridiculous Sanz?

YES.

 

[Sanz]

Dasa/adharcric - Here is one more post from Jono -
http://forum.cricketweb.net/showpost.php?p=711201&postcount=2420

As it shows, Jono has repeatedly talked of Flintoff, everytime there is a discussion on allorunders and Irfan.

 

[adharcric]

Once again dont jump out of your pants..look for Jono's posts on Irfan's talent as allrounder (read my last post). Also, Try to read between the lines, India's answer to Flintoff means Irfan as an Indian allrounder not Irfan being as good as Flintoff something he will never be. If Pathan has shown so much promise then why is he not playing ? Mr. Chappel is not sure if he is going to play in the series at all.

If you ask me, Pathan isn't playing because he's out of form and needs a little break. If you don't believe he has all-round ability, that's your opinion.

And what has Dhoni done to deserve comparison with Gilchrist ? Gilly is an alltime WK who will walk into any World XI ODI or Test and Dhoni wont even make to this Indian lineup on his wicket keeping skills. At least dont compare him now, because you look like an idiot for even bringing that up now.

You're missing the point. First of all, I wasn't even the one who did this so-called "comparison". Someone mentioned that Dhoni's average is higher than Gilchrist's - you can either understand that the average must be sustained for a long period for there to be any genuine comparison OR you can get aggravated and start thinking that the person is claiming that Dhoni is as good as Gilchist. You chose the latter. Whatever, I'm sure you know what I'm saying.

You have the habit of jumping the bandwagon - You jumped on Dhoni Bandwagon, then declared Munaf, Santh etc as future on Indian fast bowling. Their performance sucked then, it sucks now. If India is able to save the Antigua test, it would not be because of our bowling but because of our batting. Their true potential has been exaggerated because of our batting success in last 20 ODIs.

Yes I get excited when I see talented and promising players, perhaps a little too excited. Whenever I praise these guys, I also say that they need to maintain their performance to be the "future". "Their performance sucked then"?! I'm not so sure the English batsmen would agree with you there.

 

[Sanz]

If you ask me, Pathan isn't playing because he's out of form and needs a little break.

Out of form with the bat or ball or both ?

 

[Sanz]

"Their performance sucked then"?! I'm not so sure the English batsmen would agree with you there.

Yeah yeah, I know Munaf Patel took some wickets in Mohali. Indian won the test because of Anil Kumble. Munaf and Santh did well in one inning or at best one test.

 

[honestbharani]

I hope this new found form of Jaffer will act as the catalyst and help India recover some kind of batting form. Our batting has simply not been to the same levels since the 2004 Pak tour. Our batsmen have generally struggled and as has been pointed out a number of times in threads involving India, it was only the awesome form of Sehwag and Dravid that helped hide those issues. Now that Sehwag is not in the same nick and Dravid is unable to make those BIG hundreds, it is a lot clearer now.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

I hope this new found form of Jaffer will act as the catalyst and help India recover some kind of batting form.

I hope the new found form of Jaffer inspires Daren Ganga. Because really, all things considered... it should.

 

[alternative]

I hope the new found form of Jaffer inspires Daren Ganga. Because really, all things considered... it should.

I would say they get Runako Morton to open, he did quite well in the ODI's

 

[UncleTheOne]

What's the news on Fidel? Is he fit to bowl today or is he out of the match?