***Official*** India in West Indies

[Sanz]

I am dissappointed with Dravid's captaincy in the series.

 

[Arjun]

Not a bet, but does anyone expect Raina to last ten overs?

 

[pug]

• Rao– Let's pretend that never happened
• Agarkar– Likewise
• Powar– Tough luck with one that went off the pad on the stumps, but not an excuse for dot balls

Words fail to leave my throat at what I felt while watching these three bat. Harbhajan... at least... tried!!

India seriously seem to hve forgotten how to bat first during slog overs. Either that, or they need to rethink their batting order. Rao being sent after the 35th over is a strict no-no in my opinion from what I've seen of him.

The only nice thing I can think of, that is keeping me from throwing stuff around is that with Sachin back (god, whenever that happens) Rao will be one step behind. If we do need someone like that, might as well take laxman over Rao.

 

[pug]

Not a bet, but does anyone expect Raina to last ten overs?

What's wrong with him? He seems to be a decent bat. Better than any other newcomer in the side (read Rao)

 

[pug]

On a lighter note, seeing how the Indians batted, would you have a lower order of Irfan, Yadav, Bangar, Powar and Joginder in the next match?.

Doing that would hurt whatever good that's happened to the ODI side so long. The problem is not so deeprooted to require a revamp of the degree that your asking for. A couple of tweaks here and there is what's neccessary. Can't wait for Sachin's return. Will mean at least one less out-of-form/uncapable batsman in the side.

 

[Arjun]

Words fail to leave my throat at what I felt while watching these three bat. Harbhajan... at least... tried!!

India seriously seem to hve forgotten how to bat first during slog overs. Either that, or they need to rethink their batting order. Rao being sent after the 35th over is a strict no-no in my opinion from what I've seen of him.

The only nice thing I can think of, that is keeping me from throwing stuff around is that with Sachin back (god, whenever that happens) Rao will be one step behind. If we do need someone like that, might as well take laxman over Rao.

At least Powar is new and can improve in the near future, but seems to lack the hitting power you expect in a final-overs batsman. The tailenders lack hitting power. The batsmen who have it didn't make much use of it.

Forget Sachin.......the sooner they get one of Uthappa, Gambhir, Jadhav or even Jaffer at the top, the better!

 

[Arjun]

What's wrong with him? He seems to be a decent bat. Better than any other newcomer in the side (read Rao)

Read the first four words....

 

[adharcric]

Not a bet, but does anyone expect Raina to last ten overs?

Yeah, I do. He has good temperament and has only rarely shown his inexperience in going for an unnecessary big shot. Today's dismissal wasn't too bad. Raina is what you call an international-standard ODI batsman. What does that mean?
1) He can score quickly when needed
2) He can rotate the strike when needed
3) He can build on his starts

Venu can't do 1 and 2 and rarely manages to get a chance to do 3 with how long it takes him to get a "start".

 

[Arjun]

What's wrong with him? He seems to be a decent bat. Better than any other newcomer in the side (read Rao)

I mean, last long enough to bowl ten overs of off-spin, given the success Gayle and Samuels have had.

 

[Arjun]

Yeah, I do. He has good temperament and has only rarely shown his inexperience in going for an unnecessary big shot. Today's dismissal wasn't too bad. Raina is what you call an international-standard ODI batsman. What does that mean?
1) He can score quickly when needed
2) He can rotate the strike when needed
3) He can build on his starts

Venu can't do 1 and 2 and rarely manages to get a chance to do 3 with how long it takes him to get a "start".

It seems I have not worded that line properly. Read the one above this....

 

[pug]

Chappell looks pretty annoyed. Don't blame him.

I've never been so frustrated over a ODI match for a long time. Especially one that doesn't mean too much.

Irfan and Sreesanth gotta bowl out of their skin.

How funny that I feel the same.

 

[Arjun]

one that doesn't mean too much

How funny that I feel the same.

Why not? It's the West Indies, not Zimbabwe or Bangladesh or Kenya. It's outside India, Pakistan and SL.

 

[Jono]

LOL @ everyone misunderstanding Arjun regarding what he meant by Raina lasting 10 overs.

 

[adharcric]

Got it Arjun. Yes, that is one of the negatives of the Indian ODI side at the moment. Here they are.

1) Send different guys at #3 so everyone gets match practice
2) Don't insist on using 5 specialist bowlers if you plan on giving Yuvraj 5+ overs every time and have other potential part-timers in Raina, Tendulkar, Sehwag
3) Don't use more than 2 anchor-role batsmen at the same time; the best we have are Dravid and Kaif, followed by Laxman and Sharma, and way later comes Rao
4) Taking singles is good, but learn to hit some big shots in the death overs

 

[Arjun]

Got it Arjun. Yes, that is one of the negatives of the Indian ODI side at the moment. Here they are.

1) Send different guys at #3 so everyone gets match practice
2) Don't insist on using 5 specialist bowlers if you plan on giving Yuvraj 5+ overs every time and have other potential part-timers in Raina, Tendulkar, Sehwag
3) Don't use more than 2 anchor-role batsmen at the same time; the best we have are Dravid and Kaif, followed by Laxman and Sharma, and way later comes Rao
4) Taking singles is good, but learn to hit some big shots in the death overs

1. Agree with that one, but let the man there serve a purpose.
2. You can have six bowling options, as is the case with Pakistan and New Zealand. Let part-timers stay part-timers, coming in for an over or two out of 50, but 10 overs is as big a risk as having a Number 9 coming in at Number 4.
3. There are too many anchor role batsmen in this side, most of them not even that good. Dravid, Sachin and Yuvraj are the best options, then Raina, Kaif and the Test opener.
4. If they don't have the hitting power, you shouldn't expect big shots.

 

[silentstriker]

Why not? It's the West Indies, not Zimbabwe or Bangladesh or Kenya. It's outside India, Pakistan and SL.

Eh, really, very few ODI's outside of the WC really 'matter'. The exception being against Pakistan or Australia.

 

[Arjun]

In this day and age of vision and mission, have the Indians taken a step backwards? They have Agarkar opening the bowling again, while Sreesanth, who has the pace and also a good outswinger, and is very aggressive, will be coming on first-change!

 

[Arjun]

Eh, really, very few ODI's outside of the WC really 'matter'. The exception being against Pakistan or Australia.

This is a team that has often won tournaments against the Indians, though two came during the Indians' five-year drought (of sorts).

 

[pug]

Got it Arjun. Yes, that is one of the negatives of the Indian ODI side at the moment. Here they are.

1) Send different guys at #3 so everyone gets match practice
2) Don't insist on using 5 specialist bowlers if you plan on giving Yuvraj 5+ overs every time and have other potential part-timers in Raina, Tendulkar, Sehwag
3) Don't use more than 2 anchor-role batsmen at the same time; the best we have are Dravid and Kaif, followed by Laxman and Sharma, and way later comes Rao
4) Taking singles is good, but learn to hit some big shots in the death overs

Agree with all execept no 2. I think its something worth trying from time to time in pitches that deserve trying it out. But not something to be overdone.

 

[adharcric]

Agree with all execept no 2. I think its something worth trying from time to time in pitches that deserve trying it out. But not something to be overdone.

Yeah, they shouldn't regularly go with 4 bowlers but they should at least try out the part-timers.