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***Official*** India in Pakistan

Jono

Virat Kohli (c)
How have Pakistan not seen much of Kaif and Murali Kartik? (not Karthik the wicket keeper damn it)
 

adharcric

International Coach
Jono said:
How have Pakistan not seen much of Kaif and Murali Kartik? (not Karthik the wicket keeper damn it)
They've seen a good deal of those two. You know how certain people make up claims to prove a point on this forum .. quite common in this thread especially. Still, I do think Kaif will play a huge role as he's in rich form and has improved his batting recently. Kartik is inconsistent so I wouldn't depend on him, but Raina is a talented guy who if given an opportunity could shine and be a surprise factor for India. Same goes with Sreesanth, who could add some energy to the Indian (lack-of) pace attack if he's played ... and he definitely should be in from the first match itself.
 

Jono

Virat Kohli (c)
Kaif should bat no lower than 5 for the ODIs. Hopefully he bats fairly high tomorrow, because I think he's got more to offer than just a finisher. His best knocks have always been when he's had a lot of time in the middle. Dravid and Yuvraj bat much better in the latter overs than Kaif.
 

Nishant

International 12th Man
adharcric said:
In matches like these between two talent-abundant teams in India & Pakistan, who both have so many game-changers ... Sehwag, Tendulkar, Dhoni, Inzamam, Afridi, Akhtar ... you can say all that you want about how the teams match up on paper, but it won't mean much. This match is tough to predict; if Sreesanth plays he could well end up becoming the new "difference-maker". That's how unpredictable it is.

i agree. its probably gonna be quite close. I just hope that its not gonna be a dull encounter. Anyway, ind-pak matches always impress
 

adharcric

International Coach
Jono said:
Kaif should bat no lower than 5 for the ODIs. Hopefully he bats fairly high tomorrow, because I think he's got more to offer than just a finisher. His best knocks have always been when he's had a lot of time in the middle. Dravid and Yuvraj bat much better in the latter overs than Kaif.
yeah, kaif is best-suited for the #3 spot.
 

Nishant

International 12th Man
Jono said:
Kaif should bat no lower than 5 for the ODIs. Hopefully he bats fairly high tomorrow, because I think he's got more to offer than just a finisher. His best knocks have always been when he's had a lot of time in the middle. Dravid and Yuvraj bat much better in the latter overs than Kaif.

Thats true. I remember a lot of people saying that kaif has lost his touch, but i think its cos he isnt given much of a chance. he's given around 10 overs max. How's he meant to do much in that time, especially when he's not a big hitter. He would do nicely in the top 5 where he has time to settle in. Also it gives hima sort of motivation to hit big scores. at the moment, i hate to say it, but india are wasting his abilities.
 

Jono

Virat Kohli (c)
Yeah they have wasted his abilities, but the ODI top order has been settled for so long its been hard for him to get a spot up high. We've always had Sehwag, Tendulkar, Ganguly, Dravid there, and whenever Laxman was in the team he'd bat high too. That'd leave Yuvraj and Kaif to bat fairly low. Now for Yuvraj that works, but Kaif it doesn't work quite as well. He started getting better opportunities around the WC 2003 time when they batted him high a few times (I remember the match against Pakistan he came in at 4) and in 2005 he started batting high very often, and cracked a few tons and other high scores there. He's perfect for the anchor role in India, and if he does go out Dravid can play that role as well, whilst also having the ability to raise the scoring rate later in the innings.
 

TIF

U19 Debutant
I would like to see India go with this line-up -

Sehwag
Tendulkar
Pathan
Dravid
Kaif
Yuvraj
Raina
Dhoni(w)
Zaheer
Harbhajan
RP Singh
Super-sub: M Kartik

As for the ODIs, India, have recently improved in ODIs since Greg Chappell, took over and have done well against Sri Lanka and South Africa recently. India, nearly pulled off a win against South Africa, despite being 35/5, showing the depth in batting which was missing from the earlier Indian one-day teams.

As for Pakistan, they always seem to do well in the ODIs. I expect the ODIs to be a hard fought contest and would currently like to stay away from any predictions after my last prediction about "India can chase 500+" was a super-flop. I have decided not to predict anything for India-Pakistan matches as these matches are the toughest to predict.
 

Armadillo

State Vice-Captain
TIF said:
I would like to see India go with this line-up -

Sehwag
Tendulkar
Pathan
Dravid
Kaif
Yuvraj
Raina
Dhoni(w)
Zaheer
Harbhajan
RP Singh
Super-sub: M Kartik

As for the ODIs, India, have recently improved in ODIs since Greg Chappell, took over and have done well against Sri Lanka and South Africa recently. India, nearly pulled off a win against South Africa, despite being 35/5, showing the depth in batting which was missing from the earlier Indian one-day teams.

As for Pakistan, they always seem to do well in the ODIs. I expect the ODIs to be a hard fought contest and would currently like to stay away from any predictions after my last prediction about "India can chase 500+" was a super-flop. I have decided not to predict anything for India-Pakistan matches as these matches are the toughest to predict.
I think the constant shuffling of Irfan Pathan, however talented a batsman he is, is not a good thing for the Indian team. Most matches each batsmen doesn't even know where he is batting!
 

Arjun

Cricketer Of The Year
Armadillo said:
I think the constant shuffling of Irfan Pathan, however talented a batsman he is, is not a good thing for the Indian team. Most matches each batsmen doesn't even know where he is batting!
It's not a bad idea, as long as he bats with a cushoin of runs behind him, and attack the bowling given every opportunity, unlike Agarkar, who was blocking many deliveries on a hundred-plus-strike-rate pitch. Any position is good for him, as long as he gets at least five overs, but he shouldn't open the batting– let that be left to the Test openers.
 

Arjun

Cricketer Of The Year
Super-sub: M Kartik
Better yet, have Raina as a super-sub for Sreesanth. Keep five bowling options intact. Oh well, they could have selected Ramesh Powar or Munaf Patel...
 
TIF said:
I would like to see India go with this line-up -

Sehwag
Tendulkar
Pathan
Dravid
Kaif
Yuvraj
Raina
Dhoni(w)
Zaheer
Harbhajan
RP Singh
Super-sub: M Kartik

As for the ODIs, India, have recently improved in ODIs since Greg Chappell, took over and have done well against Sri Lanka and South Africa recently. India, nearly pulled off a win against South Africa, despite being 35/5, showing the depth in batting which was missing from the earlier Indian one-day teams.

As for Pakistan, they always seem to do well in the ODIs. I expect the ODIs to be a hard fought contest and would currently like to stay away from any predictions after my last prediction about "India can chase 500+" was a super-flop. I have decided not to predict anything for India-Pakistan matches as these matches are the toughest to predict.

Sreesanth should be in the playing lineup, Pakistani batters are suspect against express pace, and Santh's pace will be helpful in demolising them.

I'm hoping the opening bowling pair of Pathan and Santh will once again reduce Pak to a score like 30-6:laugh: , and hopfully Pakistan won't be able to make a great escape this time!
 
Armadillo said:
I think the constant shuffling of Irfan Pathan, however talented a batsman he is, is not a good thing for the Indian team. Most matches each batsmen doesn't even know where he is batting!
Agreed, i'm against it as well, both Pathan and Dhoni have been made to bat at several positions.Pathan's opening of the innings was the most stupid decision taken by Greg so far, hopefully that won't be repeated.
 

marc71178

Eyes not spreadsheets
Arjun said:
The Pakistan lineup is a good one, and may be expected, but swap Afridi with Akmal. Afridi's just a hitter, and a very explosive one, so he'll be a lot more effective at the top of the order. Akmal is more of a pure middle-order batsman, and he'd be a lot better at position six or seven rather than facing the new ball.
Which is why Akmal is scoring good centuries opening and Afridi is being very successful coming in at the end of the innings.
 

marc71178

Eyes not spreadsheets
pug said:
Sacrilege!

Maybe if he fails longer and looks out of sorts...
The question is, how long is a run be classed as bad form before it reaches the stage where it might be something far more telling?
 

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