I agree, but I also agree that Indian batsman are more techincal better batsman than Pakistanis are. I am talking about the complete batting line up here. India has four renound batsman in Dravid, Sehwag, Tendulkar, and Ganguly. Pakistan has Youhana and Inzi. I think there are lot of reasons for India loss. Few of them are, making dravid open the batting, disturbed dressing room atmosphere, two much pressure from one billion people which is unjust, and lack of game plan. Except for the first session of the test match, they were always trying to catchup with Pakistan and were never in position to exert any pressure. When a new player comes in a winning dressing room he performs better, take the case here of M.Asif or Faisal Iqbal. Inzi went to Akmal few series ago and told him that he will be playing for sometime, so he should forget about any pressure and just play his natural game. Look at him now and how good he has performed. Sami is dropped just to make place for M.Asif. On the other hand you have Ganguly, and to make place for him you are asking Dravid to open. Something is not right with the picture. I think Pakistan has very strong bench strength and after a long time they are gelling together real good. Players are helping each other a lot and enjoying there cricket. I think that is why they are winning from disastrous situations. ODI series against India in 2005 and first test against England are few cases to consider. Won't write much about India as some people are becoming angry with me. Anyways, hope to see some good cricket in the ODIs.adharcric said:
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luckyeddie
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I'm glad you finally found the right thread.ramu said:INDIA IS GOIN TO BEAT PAKZ IN ONE DAYES YOU WATCH HAHAHAHAH
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honestbharani
Whatever it takes!!!
I did talk about the "overhyping" bit in my earlier post, Sanz. Anything and everything about Indian cricket is overhyped and Greg is no exception.Sanz said:
honestbharani
Whatever it takes!!!
Thanks for the mention.Fusion said:
I thought I was unbiased.
Pakistan ODI Preview
This is my preview for the Pakistani team in the ODIs.
Salman Butt: This guy is still very young and very raw but has shown his maturity at this early age. I am very impressed with his style of batting and no doubt this guy has enormous talent and potential. His off and cover drives are just sensational and most of them are played with lots of bottom hand and wrist. His weakness is his weight shift as he is always caught in awkward situations during batting. He needs to improve his shot selection and needs to learn how to cover for the movement of the ball. Can’t forget his battle during the first test against England as he provided some decent scorecard for Pakistan to defend. I suggest that he should open.
Imran Farhat: I like his aggressive style of batting but again his shot selection is very poor. His bread and butter are his pull shot and it can never be your strong point. I still like to see him play. How can he be adjusted in the team, well I have a radical ideal will come to it towards the end of the post.
Yasir Hameed: Don’t like this guy much and don’t know why. The only good shot I have seen from him is his cover drive or playing straight down the ground. Lacks aggression and doesn’t seems to me he is that much talented. Imran Farhat and Yasir Hameed both can compete for the opener spot.
Younis Khan: Not that much talented as Yousif or Inzi but he is a hard worker. Technically good batsman and can convert himself into Dravid kind though light years away from him right now. His fielding at closing spots is an added advantage and he is very sound vice captain. I hope one day he will be captain and would be able to fill Inzi shoes. No doubt he will be playing.
M. Yousif: Most elegant and classy batsman Pakistan has ever produced. All I have is praise for him.
Inzi: Needs to lose some weight and become more physical fit. If he carries on this way, he will become what Bambino was for Yankees. His batting needs no praise but still wish to see him in good physical form.
Kamran Akmal: Just work a little more on his keeping though he is awesome jack in the box behind the stumps and even better with a bat.
Afridi: Freaky Freddy needs to calm down his verbal aggression. Though I don’t blame him as he is a pathan, LOL. Can take the game away from opposition single handedly.
Razzaq: Got good value addition in bowling and awesome strike power in batting. Needs to do some yoga so can lose some stiffness and be better in the field.
Shoaib: Needs no praise but man I miss his slower bowl. Try to deliver few of them and also notch a bit down on verbal aggression and abuse.
Rana: Very smart and intelligent bowler. A hard worker though lacks natural talent. Still remember him taking six wickets against India last year in third odi and was also Man of the Series. Needs to play.
M.Asif: The new kid on the block. Real happy to see him performing well. From his interview doesn’t look like a newcomer on the Pakistani cricket scene. Very mature bowler and with his tight line and length he complements Shoaib Akhtar beautifully. Batsman are bit defensive against Shoaib but with Asif on the other end bowling good length, it would be hard to score from him. So both can bowl good in pairs. He is just new and one performance on the green top does not makes him Macgrath. Needs to perform consistently and not to fade away as Sami did. Hope to see him going up and nowhere else.
Shoaib Malik: Good all-rounder with lot of value addition in both bowling and batting. Needs to play. If he plays he needs to bat at an early position. His running between the wickets is special and he can hit spinners out of the park at any stage of the game. So I think he can come between overs 15 and 30. His singles will assure the rotation of strike.
Team Composition Idea: I have this idea that Pakistan can play with a regular opener accompanying Salman Butt. It can be Farhat or Yasir but I personally prefer Farhat. In this case they can make Shoaib Malik their super-sub. If they bat first they got two specialist openers which will strengthen the batting line-up and Shoaib can come up to bowl as a super-sub against a batsman. Inzi can be super subbed as he is usually out of ground anyways, LOL just joking. If Pakistan bowl first and don’t feel that Afridi or Razzaq can bowl complete 20 overs than they can supersub Farhat and bring Shoaib in to help in the bowling. During batting he can always be supersubed for Asif and again he will strengthen the batting line up. What you guys think?
Yasir Arafat: Very good all-rounder is what I hear from the early rumors. He got 9 wickets against England in the warm up match whereas in the second warm up game Asif got 10 wickets. So think he can be a good all-rounder. Can be groomed at the super-sub position. Will surely like to see him perform in couple of games.
Arshad Khan: A good off-spinner, can be very handy in the one day game. I think he will preferred at the super-sub position against Arafat and will be much to my dismay. But if he is super-subed and play as bowler, Pakistan will have 7 bowlers at its hand and gives them lots of options in bowling department.
Grounds: I think that Peshawar, Rawalpindi and Karachi pitches would produce good games. These pitches are not so much overused and will be good for batting and will have some juice for the bowlers. Lahore pitch will be dull because too much cricket is played in this stadium in the recent past. It was first the U-19 Australian tour that took place on Lahore pitches, than a tests against England, 2 One days against England, and a test against India. I don’t think there will be anything for the bowlers on this pitch. Who ever will bat first will have lot of advantage on Lahore pitch. Also, there is dew factor in the evening. In Faisalabad, the only concern is dew and moisture due to weather and mind you there are no floodlights at this venue.
I think all the pitches will be supportive more to batsman than bowlers and we won’t be seeing any of the green tops. Karachi might be different but I won’t bet on it. Any team that has to win the series will have to chase at least once and come out with a win. Most likely it can be twice that a team will have to chase and come out on the top.
Predictions: One-days are totally different ball game than test matches. In my view both teams will start with 50/50 percent chance of winning the ODI’s. If India wins the toss on the first ODI and uses few new bowlers it can win against Pakistan, as Pakistanis won’t be used to new Indian bowlers. Also, as I said Lahore toss would be crucial to win. Pakistan will high over their recent victories as they have won four straight ODI series and are also placed good on the ODI team ranking status. Pakistan strength would be its bench strength and how good it will adjust to Indian bowlers and batsman. I do think that if Pakistan wins the first match it will win the series, as it will be very hard for India to win three matches in a trot against Pakistan. Well once the first ball is bowled all the predictions will go out of the window, and only the team that plays good on the given day will win.
Any comments are welcome. Looking forward for an exciting series.
This is my preview for the Pakistani team in the ODIs.
Salman Butt: This guy is still very young and very raw but has shown his maturity at this early age. I am very impressed with his style of batting and no doubt this guy has enormous talent and potential. His off and cover drives are just sensational and most of them are played with lots of bottom hand and wrist. His weakness is his weight shift as he is always caught in awkward situations during batting. He needs to improve his shot selection and needs to learn how to cover for the movement of the ball. Can’t forget his battle during the first test against England as he provided some decent scorecard for Pakistan to defend. I suggest that he should open.
Imran Farhat: I like his aggressive style of batting but again his shot selection is very poor. His bread and butter are his pull shot and it can never be your strong point. I still like to see him play. How can he be adjusted in the team, well I have a radical ideal will come to it towards the end of the post.
Yasir Hameed: Don’t like this guy much and don’t know why. The only good shot I have seen from him is his cover drive or playing straight down the ground. Lacks aggression and doesn’t seems to me he is that much talented. Imran Farhat and Yasir Hameed both can compete for the opener spot.
Younis Khan: Not that much talented as Yousif or Inzi but he is a hard worker. Technically good batsman and can convert himself into Dravid kind though light years away from him right now. His fielding at closing spots is an added advantage and he is very sound vice captain. I hope one day he will be captain and would be able to fill Inzi shoes. No doubt he will be playing.
M. Yousif: Most elegant and classy batsman Pakistan has ever produced. All I have is praise for him.
Inzi: Needs to lose some weight and become more physical fit. If he carries on this way, he will become what Bambino was for Yankees. His batting needs no praise but still wish to see him in good physical form.
Kamran Akmal: Just work a little more on his keeping though he is awesome jack in the box behind the stumps and even better with a bat.
Afridi: Freaky Freddy needs to calm down his verbal aggression. Though I don’t blame him as he is a pathan, LOL. Can take the game away from opposition single handedly.
Razzaq: Got good value addition in bowling and awesome strike power in batting. Needs to do some yoga so can lose some stiffness and be better in the field.
Shoaib: Needs no praise but man I miss his slower bowl. Try to deliver few of them and also notch a bit down on verbal aggression and abuse.
Rana: Very smart and intelligent bowler. A hard worker though lacks natural talent. Still remember him taking six wickets against India last year in third odi and was also Man of the Series. Needs to play.
M.Asif: The new kid on the block. Real happy to see him performing well. From his interview doesn’t look like a newcomer on the Pakistani cricket scene. Very mature bowler and with his tight line and length he complements Shoaib Akhtar beautifully. Batsman are bit defensive against Shoaib but with Asif on the other end bowling good length, it would be hard to score from him. So both can bowl good in pairs. He is just new and one performance on the green top does not makes him Macgrath. Needs to perform consistently and not to fade away as Sami did. Hope to see him going up and nowhere else.
Shoaib Malik: Good all-rounder with lot of value addition in both bowling and batting. Needs to play. If he plays he needs to bat at an early position. His running between the wickets is special and he can hit spinners out of the park at any stage of the game. So I think he can come between overs 15 and 30. His singles will assure the rotation of strike.
Team Composition Idea: I have this idea that Pakistan can play with a regular opener accompanying Salman Butt. It can be Farhat or Yasir but I personally prefer Farhat. In this case they can make Shoaib Malik their super-sub. If they bat first they got two specialist openers which will strengthen the batting line-up and Shoaib can come up to bowl as a super-sub against a batsman. Inzi can be super subbed as he is usually out of ground anyways, LOL just joking. If Pakistan bowl first and don’t feel that Afridi or Razzaq can bowl complete 20 overs than they can supersub Farhat and bring Shoaib in to help in the bowling. During batting he can always be supersubed for Asif and again he will strengthen the batting line up. What you guys think?
Yasir Arafat: Very good all-rounder is what I hear from the early rumors. He got 9 wickets against England in the warm up match whereas in the second warm up game Asif got 10 wickets. So think he can be a good all-rounder. Can be groomed at the super-sub position. Will surely like to see him perform in couple of games.
Arshad Khan: A good off-spinner, can be very handy in the one day game. I think he will preferred at the super-sub position against Arafat and will be much to my dismay. But if he is super-subed and play as bowler, Pakistan will have 7 bowlers at its hand and gives them lots of options in bowling department.
Grounds: I think that Peshawar, Rawalpindi and Karachi pitches would produce good games. These pitches are not so much overused and will be good for batting and will have some juice for the bowlers. Lahore pitch will be dull because too much cricket is played in this stadium in the recent past. It was first the U-19 Australian tour that took place on Lahore pitches, than a tests against England, 2 One days against England, and a test against India. I don’t think there will be anything for the bowlers on this pitch. Who ever will bat first will have lot of advantage on Lahore pitch. Also, there is dew factor in the evening. In Faisalabad, the only concern is dew and moisture due to weather and mind you there are no floodlights at this venue.
I think all the pitches will be supportive more to batsman than bowlers and we won’t be seeing any of the green tops. Karachi might be different but I won’t bet on it. Any team that has to win the series will have to chase at least once and come out with a win. Most likely it can be twice that a team will have to chase and come out on the top.
Predictions: One-days are totally different ball game than test matches. In my view both teams will start with 50/50 percent chance of winning the ODI’s. If India wins the toss on the first ODI and uses few new bowlers it can win against Pakistan, as Pakistanis won’t be used to new Indian bowlers. Also, as I said Lahore toss would be crucial to win. Pakistan will high over their recent victories as they have won four straight ODI series and are also placed good on the ODI team ranking status. Pakistan strength would be its bench strength and how good it will adjust to Indian bowlers and batsman. I do think that if Pakistan wins the first match it will win the series, as it will be very hard for India to win three matches in a trot against Pakistan. Well once the first ball is bowled all the predictions will go out of the window, and only the team that plays good on the given day will win.
Any comments are welcome. Looking forward for an exciting series.
Fusion
Global Moderator
Sorry, I just mentioned a few names off the top of my head. I do consider you unbiased. And ofcourse, there are more that I haven't mentioned (also I am in no way an authority on who's biased or not, I'm just going by my opinions). Though reading through the recent posts on this thread (a lot from new members), I can't blame the guy for thinking there are some very biased Indian fans on CW! So kudos from a Pakistani fan to Honestbharani, Jono, SJS, Sanz, Pratayush and MANY more, for being true Cricket fans and not just mindless trolls. It's a pleasure to read all of your opinions (even if I don't agree with them all!).honestbharani said:Thanks for the mention.
I thought I was unbiased.
adharcric
International Coach
Same prediction here. I think the Indian test side is getting exposed because of the lack of penetrative bowlers (pacemen), while the one-day side is on the rise because of the infusion of new talent like Gambhir, Raina and Dhoni and the maturation of Yuvraj and Kaif. They are going in as underdogs here, but I think it'll be a very exciting series.Sanz said:
sheerindianspeed
Banned
It sounds funny to hear such statement especially when Pakistan has defeated heavyweights India and England (both superior test team to Pak) but its infact true.ramu said:
Pakistan won these matches on dead unsporting home pitches, so far so good, but when they will step out of subcontinent, then will get in real trouble
.Pak won't find batting turf in their visit to England, and their team will find it hard to get to a 100 runs total.Also i don't think Pak bowling is any special, Danish in any case is overrated bowler.AS such i don't see a very bright future for Pakistan team, however i do see a very bright future for the Pakistani grounds men, some of whome might even end up being an M.N.A in national assembly for the great services rendered to the national team, by enabling them to overcome a better team in India by preparing mind blowing wkts!
honestbharani
Whatever it takes!!!
I was just kidding around, mate. I knew you were naming guys off the top of your head. Anyways, I thought with India losing, it will put an end to the Indian trolls, but I guess I was wrong.Fusion said: