***Official*** India in Pakistan

[honestbharani]

Not really - many have talked about such a thing - it's never stopped us in the past.

As it was said in the Gita, evil may SEEM to be winning, but good shall ALWAYS prevail at the end.

 

[honestbharani]

Inzi has never impressed me as a captain, and the bad thing about him that he's too stubborn and simply refuse to listen to sane elements even when things are going wrong.

As long as Inzi continue to captain the Pak OD team, Pakistan team will suffer.I think its time for a change and Younis Khan should be made the captain.Younis Khan may not be that great a batsman but he's a much smarter skipper

You know, I agree that he seems to be captaincy material. His batting and his attitude to the game reminds me of Javed Miandad, really. He may not be as good as Javid as a batter, but his technique and the way he puts away loose balls so ferociously, and handles good ones so carefully, he reminds me of Miandad in his street smartness, more than anything else. He keeps things reasonably simple and has his wits about him even when the going gets tough. I think he is the ideal person to lead the side. The problem is, will guys like Shoaib and Afridi listen to him and respect him enough? The way those guys went on with their sledging even after being spoken to (not to mention the caribbean incident, when Afridi openly disrespected his captain and got away with it), I am not so sure of that happening. For that reason alone, Inzy should remain captain, as he is the one man who COMMANDS the respect of EVERYONE in this Pak side.

 

[honestbharani]

How about laying off a bit dude?
You're winning anyway...You might as well win with grace instead of getting all jumpy about it.

Apart from that, I dont know if India's losing wickets is abad or good thing, seems to me they get better and better lower down the order lol. =)

YOu are new here. WE call these guys "trolls". Just ignore them.

 

[TT Boy]

Because of these trolls, sometime I wish India had lost the ODI series. At least that would have kept these idiots out of the forum for a while. Its okay once in a while but it becomes annoying when they start dominating the thread and every other post is a basically a *Troll*.

I dont know if anyone can do anything about it, but its damn annoying.

Don't worry when England are giving India a hiding next month, Nehra and his brothers will be long gone.

 

[honestbharani]

I agree with Sanz here. The Pak fans have been the most wonderfully behaved bunch here over the past few months, and I would like to apologize to them for having to put up with some of the worst specimens (of CW posters) from my country.

 

[danish]

I agree with Sanz here. The Pak fans have been the most wonderfully behaved bunch here over the past few months, and I would like to apologize to them for having to put up with some of the worst specimens (of CW posters) from my country.

The sad thing about these trolls is that they make people like you apologize for their actions when clearly you could have done nothing about it.

 

[pug]

Don't worry when England are giving India a hiding next month, Nehra and his brothers will be long gone.

I would rather keep the trolls. Its simple really, all you need to do is scroll down and exert self control.

Since honestbharani is quoting gita, might as well quote the part about controlling your senses and whatnot.

 

[pug]

I dont know if anyone can do anything about it, but its damn annoying.

Can they be permanently labelled (titled?) "trolls" so everyone can see them from far?

 

[honestbharani]

My take on the series is this:


Pak HAVE to sort out their batting order. I know most ODIs are played on flat tracks, but having seen this, all teams would be trying to set up Pak with day matches and morning freshness. There was a reason why the best batters batted at the top of the order. I still criticize Lara for batting at 4 in the windies ODI side. But Inzy has just taken it to another level, by refusing to come up from 5 or 6. Maybe he is trying to get his youngsters get better by throwing them to the deep end, but if that is the case, he should have been prepared for more than a few losses.



India have done well, but there is still work to be done in the bowling side of things. Kartik will be useful against most sides. I mean, not everyone handle finger spin as well as Pakistan do. We saw RSA and Sri Lanka struggle on occassions against him. But I agree that Powar should be given a go too. We need to see what he has got, esp. since he is very useful with the bat as well. Zaheer looks kinda unfit. He has just got too much weight, I think. AA should stay. He was coming back from injury, but he still looked good in parts.


The batting looks ok. I would like to see Kaif being tested at 3 from time to time as well, as he seems wasted at 6 or 7. His position should ideally be at a time when we are looking to milk the bowling or trying to see through a tough spell. And if he fails in that role, I think he will be dropped. The biggest improvement has been the fielding though. And I hope INdia carry on improving day by day so that we can peak at the world cup.



BTW, I think Raina would be the best specialist mid off in the world. What do you guys think? I don't think there is much stiff competition there from the likes of Chanderpaul, Pollock etc.

 

[Jono]

Can they be permanently labelled (titled?) "trolls" so everyone can see them from far?

LOL That's genius.

Their user title under their name should read "Troll - Don't read my posts."

 

[danish]

LOL That's genius.

Their user title under their name should read "Troll - Don't read my posts."

You can't say it's not amusing having the trolls around, their intelligence makes me feel 'special' .
Anyway, it's not as if they need to be labelled trolls, their posts make that fact so damned obvious.

 

[Armadillo]

I have heard enough of this that "Pakistan underperformed". They are not crediting India for their win. Even in test series India played well and bounced back in first two test matches. They nearly won the first ODI. All the people who thinks that Pakistan team didn't play to their potential are wrong. It was Indian team who put them in so much pressure with their bowling,fielding and batting.
This Pakistan team have not been tested in foreign conditions yet. India on the other hand have played some brilliant test cricket in the last 3 years abroad also.
I am waiting for Pakistan tour of England where the ball will be swinging and batsman like Younis Khan and Shoaib Malik will be finding it tough. Winning the home series doesn't make you a champion.If you want to become a champion beat the teams in their backyard. Will Pakistan beat England in England?
Many people made comparisons b/w Afridi and Dhoni or Sehwag.Dhoni and Sehwag both have played some match winning knocks for India.But Afridi only scores when there are so much runs on the board. Take the example of first two test matches where Afridi came to bat when Pakistan have already 400 runs on the board.
But when Pakistan were in trouble in third test match he failed.
Pakistan's real test will be starting from Sri Lankan tour. Sri Lanka have a tough time recently against India,New Zealand and Australia so they don't want to lose the home series against Pakistan.Sri Lanka have a good home record.

Trollish intent: How can you say that Pakistan played to their potential when playing to their potential involves beating India 4-2. And Afridi hasn't played match winning knocks, well...
http://www.cricinfo.com/db/ARCHIVE/...-CT-MATCHES/PAK_SL_KCA-CT_ODI6_04OCT1996.html
My, I do believe that was the quickest hundred of all time...
http://uk.cricinfo.com/db/ARCHIVE/1...SCORECARDS/IND_PAK_SAHARA_ODI4_19SEP1998.html
Pretty match winning...
http://uk.cricinfo.com/db/ARCHIVE/2004-05/PAK_IN_IND/SCORECARDS/PAK_IND_ODI5_15APR2005.html
Oh look, it's the second fastest century of all time.
Well looks like you've been proven wrong.

 

[kvemuri]

Hmmm..first off let me be honest here, I am not a purist, have never been one in the past 25+ years of watching cricket. Have always enjoyed the so called "Pajama" format of the game where the result is in by the end of the day. The 5 day form of game used to drive me nuts (still does more often than not) especially when players like Sunil Gavaskar, Rameez Raja, Geoff Marsh etc used to bat, they would take an entire day to score 25 runs. Especially when the pitches were batting paradises of the yonder years it used to drive me insane (still does) when an entire 5 day game goes by a the net result is zilch, Labore and FaisalaNahibad are great examples. Personally I think hadn't it been for Steve Waugh and his ramapaging Aussies winning every test match from Harare to Dhaka (metaphorically speaking of course), the test series format of the game might have died a slow death with low spectator turn outs and lack of sponsorship, at the end of the day everything is economics. Having said that

Ok guys i admit hands down India was the better team in ODI's but how can u say they were unlucky to loose the test series.

The first 2 tests the honours were evenly shared with India shading it magrinally but look at the last test Pak was without its Captain and best batsman they lost the crucial toss were in all sorts of trouble but fought back brilliantly and won by 341 runs.

Indian team was soundly and thoroughly beaten in the 3rd test by a better Pakistani side, especially after they were down 0/3 and 39/6 to come back and win a game by 341 runs is a testament to the grittiness and never say die attitude of the Pakistani team. Akmal's stellar knock in the first innings and Asif's fantastic bowling performance has to be commended. Luck also plays a role here, Razzaq was given not out on an LBW decision with the score at 55 (both Holding and Deano called it an out), who knows what 55/7 would've meant to the overall game, but it doesn't matter as Pakistan won that game convincingly and deserve all the accolades.

341 RUNS is a massive margin. And i would disagree that this tour has been a success for India, test series is the main thing and like it or not India got soundly beaten.

There are two contentious points in the above comment,

1. India wasn't soundly beaten, soundly beaten in my opinion would be going doing 3-0 or even like Eng 2-0. They were soundly beaten in the last game yes, not the entire series.

2. The second point is And i would disagree that this tour has been a success for India, given the fact that an year ago we had been thoroughly decimated by the same Pakistani team in ODIs and that the Indian ODI squad was in complete doldrums (just have to watch Ganguly jumping around like a bunny Rabbit to Shane Bond's darts, in the tri-series final in Zim) and we had just started on the recovery path with series against SLK and SA, to face a Pakistan team which was on song and where we were supposed to be whipped 5-0 (a notion I thoroughly believed in), to win such a series is definitely a measure of success in my opinion.

I would apply the logic in a reverse way and say that for Pakistan this tour of India was a failure (exaggerating here) where they had a better bowling attack and were at home, they didn't utilize it in the tests at all, where they probably could've romped home much better than a 1-0 result and to compound that went ahead to lose the ODI series.

 

[wahindiawah]

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I would apply the logic in a reverse way and say that for Pakistan this tour of India was a failure (exaggerating here) where they had a better bowling attack and were at home, they didn't utilize it in the tests at all, where they probably could've romped home much better than a 1-0 result and to compound that went ahead to lose the ODI series.

If atall they had a better attack, then they surely had a much inferior batting side!! 1-0 is certainly the best result Pak could have got, and i think Pak knows that.

The test series was success for Pak and OD was success for India.

The test series was a huge dissapointment for India as its the first loss in last 4 series played b/w the two teams.

 

[kvemuri]

If atall they had a better attack, then they surely had a much inferior batting side!! 1-0 is certainly the best result Pak could have got, and i think Pak knows that..

Inferior batting side? come again. Younis Khan, Mohammed Yousuf, Shahid Afridi, Kamran Akmal, Inzy, Abdul Razzaq etc all plundered runs in all 3 matches. Even the likes of Imran Farhat and Faisal Iqbal joined in the fun, I am not quite sure whose batting you are terming to be inferior.

If The test series was success for Pak and OD was success for India.

The test series was a huge dissapointment for India as its the first loss in last 4 series played b/w the two teams.

That I totally agree with.

 

[danish]

Inferior batting side? come again. Younis Khan, Mohammed Yousuf, Shahid Afridi, Kamran Akmal, Inzy, Abdul Razzaq etc all plundered runs in all 3 matches. Even the likes of Imran Farhat and Faisal Iqbal joined in the fun, I am not quite sure whose batting you are terming to be inferior.

I agree that that is a world class batting line-up, but I have to say India's batting looks even more formidable. Sehwag, incredibly in-form SRT, Dravid, incredibly in-form Yuvraj, Kaif, incredibly in-form Dhoni, Pathan and Raina could devastate any bowling attack. If only one of them fired, India could post a very decent total. If 2 or 3 fired, the opposition would be left destroyed and demoralised. IMO, this batting line-up is even stronger and deeper than Australia's.

 

[kvemuri]

I agree that that is a world class batting line-up, but I have to say India's batting looks even more formidable. Sehwag, incredibly in-form SRT, Dravid, incredibly in-form Yuvraj, Kaif, incredibly in-form Dhoni, Pathan and Raina could devastate any bowling attack. If only one of them fired, India could post a very decent total. If 2 or 3 fired, the opposition would be left destroyed and demoralised. .

I am not dis-agreeing with that comment, but i think, in this ODI series particularly, Pakistan lacked a stratergy in their batting order, with India it was Dravid/Pathan/Dhoni at 3 depending on the situation. Pakistan didn't take the stock of the situation and persisted with not sending experienced batsmen up the order, as brilliantly Shoaib Malik has played at 3, he cannot be expected to deliver time and again. Overall that and Indian ground fielding was light years ahead of Pakistan's, i would say these two were the major reason Pakistan lost the series. Otherwise I think both teams are evenly matched when it comes to batting.

IMO, this batting line-up is even stronger and deeper than Australia's.

Australia can bat till Brett Lee and IMO they have more fire power than the Indians do, each batsmen (except for Katich) can turn it on and go from gear 1 to 4 in less than 6 balls, even though we are a formiddable side I give Aus the edge in batting, heck in all three departments.

 

[Fusion]

I agree with Sanz here. The Pak fans have been the most wonderfully behaved bunch here over the past few months, and I would like to apologize to them for having to put up with some of the worst specimens (of CW posters) from my country.

Well people like you make up for 10 of those trolls!

However, I do wish that the mods would take action against them, even just a warning once in a while!

 

[immyakhtar]

dont go where

 

[danish]

Well people like you make up for 10 of those trolls!

However, I do wish that the mods would take action against them, even just a warning once in a while!

Come on, that would ruin all of the fun!