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***Official*** India in Pakistan
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jaspalsinghrana
School Boy/Girl Cricketer
Ranking hardly matters, soon India will be up the ladder.danish said:
Besides Pak are third on the list, third from up and not from bottom, though on present form they should be on the very bottom
immyakhtar
Cricket Spectator
why's that eh?? Akmal's already set the record for the fastest century in Tests
And he's quick behind the stumps
And he's quick behind the stumps
jaspalsinghrana
School Boy/Girl Cricketer
India too played Test and OD series against SL.marc71178 said:
Indian bowlers were tred after bowling for long duration on disgraceful pitches, even Akhtar eventually suffered a serious injury coz of the stress.
muralilal
Banned
I have heard enough of this that "Pakistan underperformed". They are not crediting India for their win. Even in test series India played well and bounced back in first two test matches. They nearly won the first ODI. All the people who thinks that Pakistan team didn't play to their potential are wrong. It was Indian team who put them in so much pressure with their bowling,fielding and batting.
This Pakistan team have not been tested in foreign conditions yet. India on the other hand have played some brilliant test cricket in the last 3 years abroad also.
I am waiting for Pakistan tour of England where the ball will be swinging and batsman like Younis Khan and Shoaib Malik will be finding it tough. Winning the home series doesn't make you a champion.If you want to become a champion beat the teams in their backyard. Will Pakistan beat England in England?
Many people made comparisons b/w Afridi and Dhoni or Sehwag.Dhoni and Sehwag both have played some match winning knocks for India.But Afridi only scores when there are so much runs on the board. Take the example of first two test matches where Afridi came to bat when Pakistan have already 400 runs on the board.
But when Pakistan were in trouble in third test match he failed.
Pakistan's real test will be starting from Sri Lankan tour. Sri Lanka have a tough time recently against India,New Zealand and Australia so they don't want to lose the home series against Pakistan.Sri Lanka have a good home record.
This Pakistan team have not been tested in foreign conditions yet. India on the other hand have played some brilliant test cricket in the last 3 years abroad also.
I am waiting for Pakistan tour of England where the ball will be swinging and batsman like Younis Khan and Shoaib Malik will be finding it tough. Winning the home series doesn't make you a champion.If you want to become a champion beat the teams in their backyard. Will Pakistan beat England in England?
Many people made comparisons b/w Afridi and Dhoni or Sehwag.Dhoni and Sehwag both have played some match winning knocks for India.But Afridi only scores when there are so much runs on the board. Take the example of first two test matches where Afridi came to bat when Pakistan have already 400 runs on the board.
But when Pakistan were in trouble in third test match he failed.
Pakistan's real test will be starting from Sri Lankan tour. Sri Lanka have a tough time recently against India,New Zealand and Australia so they don't want to lose the home series against Pakistan.Sri Lanka have a good home record.
muralilal said:
well said! India need to be credited 4 their efforts. They were ruled out by most people. Everyone was saying how they lacked gud bowlers that wud trouble pakistan. Yet, they didnt let the critisism get to them and showed everyone by gettin the pakistanti team out 4 161 today. Great effort!
GladiatrsInBlue
Banned
A success story for India!
Great tour indeed! i would say this tour has been a success story for india though not quite similar to the 2004 one! here even in the tests, we played well except for that 2 days in the final test where we bowled badly and we lost too many wickets when we should have put our heads down and looked to have batted out the rest of the test match! india batted supremely in the first two test matches and batted better than pakistan. we had the edge over pakistan in the first two tests becoz it was all about who batted better and we were the ones who batted better!
Great tour indeed! i would say this tour has been a success story for india though not quite similar to the 2004 one! here even in the tests, we played well except for that 2 days in the final test where we bowled badly and we lost too many wickets when we should have put our heads down and looked to have batted out the rest of the test match! india batted supremely in the first two test matches and batted better than pakistan. we had the edge over pakistan in the first two tests becoz it was all about who batted better and we were the ones who batted better!
Prince EWS
Global Moderator
They lost the test series, so I wouldnt exactly say it was a "great" tour, regardless of how well the ODI series went.
nehrafan
Banned
What a character Inzamam is, before the match he clearly said that toss won't make any difference in the outcme of the match.And now that Pakistan got thrashed he is saying the losing the toss was a big disadvantage as the wkt had something for the pacers in the early morning.
The guy simply can't accept the fact that Pak was beaten by a superior team, and that Pak OD team is in the league of Indian OD team.
I hope India win the last onedayer after losing the toss so Inzamam won't be able to come up with pathetic excuses
The guy simply can't accept the fact that Pak was beaten by a superior team, and that Pak OD team is in the league of Indian OD team.
I hope India win the last onedayer after losing the toss so Inzamam won't be able to come up with pathetic excuses
ajaagarkarajaaja
Banned
they have some bowlers like Shahid Nazeer, Roa Ifti and so but they all are proven failures.jaspalsinghrana said:
Pak still relies on just one man for wkt, and that man is Shoaib Chucktar!
adharcric
International Coach
Pakistan has been exposed in this series by a superior side, but don't make the mistake of believing that they aren't World Cup contenders. Without Shoaib Akhtar, their pace attack was very mediocre against the powerful batting lineup, but the result should be attributed more to the Indian batting prowess than anything else.
- Pakistan needs to keep its 5-man pace attack (Akhtar, Asif, Sami, Rana, Gul) fit and effective on a consistent basis, because they've got a talented bunch.
- When Pakistan lose early wickets, they should never send in Mohammad Yousuf because he doesn't seem to know how to play cautiously in such situations. Inzamam should either be at #3 or #4 because they have plenty of quick run-makers, but only a few technically correct pressure players (Inzamam, Younis, Akmal ...). Inzamam should play Dravid's role, meaning if Pakistan is in a solid position he can send in Yousuf, Malik, etc. to thrive in the situation, but otherwise he needs to go in himself as he is best equipped for tense situations. That would be leading from the front.
-The fielding has been far from impressive. That needs to be taken care of.
As for India ...
-Kaif should come in with Dravid if early wickets fall. He's rather ineffective when they already have a big target and want to add on to it, something needs to be done about this.
-The supersub rule will go soon, so India either needs to give Sehwag, Tendulkar and Raina extensive opportunities with the ball to make them potent options, or else go in with 5 specialist batsmen. Raina looks very fluent and in my opinion is the best fielder in the Indian team. The Raina-Yuvraj-Kaif off-side cordon is world-class and needs to be there on a regular basis. Sehwag, Tendulkar, Dravid, Yuvraj, Dhoni and Pathan are the core of our one-day side. The 5th batsmen should be Kaif or Raina, and if we use 6 then both of them. We need our best pacy right-armer in one spot, that could be Sreesanth, Munaf or VRV. At the other spot, we need our top line-and-length bowler, at the moment RP Singh. If the part-timers are very effective, we can go in with 4 specialist seamers ... if they are relatively effective, we can go in with 3 seamers and a spinner ... if they aren't effective, we'll need 5 bowlers, most likely 4 seamers and a spinner who can keep it tight. For the spinner's role, Harbhajan Singh is still the leading candidate but Ramesh Powar should be tried in the 5th odi and against England if the chance arises because he can bat as well. Kartik should be banished.
-Pathan, Sreesanth and RP Singh have all proved their worth in this series. Agarkar still manages to pick up wickets with his rare magic balls and more often by knocking out the tail after damage has been done, so he's a borderline case. Only one of Agarkar and Zaheer should be in the one-day team, and Agarkar is more effective right now (that's more of an insult to Zaheer than praise for Agarkar). We should see a new 5th seamer against England, perhaps one who can bat (Munaf Patel?).
- Pakistan needs to keep its 5-man pace attack (Akhtar, Asif, Sami, Rana, Gul) fit and effective on a consistent basis, because they've got a talented bunch.
- When Pakistan lose early wickets, they should never send in Mohammad Yousuf because he doesn't seem to know how to play cautiously in such situations. Inzamam should either be at #3 or #4 because they have plenty of quick run-makers, but only a few technically correct pressure players (Inzamam, Younis, Akmal ...). Inzamam should play Dravid's role, meaning if Pakistan is in a solid position he can send in Yousuf, Malik, etc. to thrive in the situation, but otherwise he needs to go in himself as he is best equipped for tense situations. That would be leading from the front.
-The fielding has been far from impressive. That needs to be taken care of.
As for India ...
-Kaif should come in with Dravid if early wickets fall. He's rather ineffective when they already have a big target and want to add on to it, something needs to be done about this.
-The supersub rule will go soon, so India either needs to give Sehwag, Tendulkar and Raina extensive opportunities with the ball to make them potent options, or else go in with 5 specialist batsmen. Raina looks very fluent and in my opinion is the best fielder in the Indian team. The Raina-Yuvraj-Kaif off-side cordon is world-class and needs to be there on a regular basis. Sehwag, Tendulkar, Dravid, Yuvraj, Dhoni and Pathan are the core of our one-day side. The 5th batsmen should be Kaif or Raina, and if we use 6 then both of them. We need our best pacy right-armer in one spot, that could be Sreesanth, Munaf or VRV. At the other spot, we need our top line-and-length bowler, at the moment RP Singh. If the part-timers are very effective, we can go in with 4 specialist seamers ... if they are relatively effective, we can go in with 3 seamers and a spinner ... if they aren't effective, we'll need 5 bowlers, most likely 4 seamers and a spinner who can keep it tight. For the spinner's role, Harbhajan Singh is still the leading candidate but Ramesh Powar should be tried in the 5th odi and against England if the chance arises because he can bat as well. Kartik should be banished.
-Pathan, Sreesanth and RP Singh have all proved their worth in this series. Agarkar still manages to pick up wickets with his rare magic balls and more often by knocking out the tail after damage has been done, so he's a borderline case. Only one of Agarkar and Zaheer should be in the one-day team, and Agarkar is more effective right now (that's more of an insult to Zaheer than praise for Agarkar). We should see a new 5th seamer against England, perhaps one who can bat (Munaf Patel?).
Xuhaib
International Coach
Ok guys i admit hands down India was the better team in ODI's but how can u say they were unlucky to loose the test series.
The first 2 tests the honours were evenly shared with India shading it magrinally but look at the last test Pak was without its Captain and best batsman they lost the crucial toss were in all sorts of trouble but fought back brilliantly and won by 341 runs.
341 RUNS is a massive margin. And i would disagree that this tour has been a success for India, test series is the main thing and like it or not India got soundly beaten.
The first 2 tests the honours were evenly shared with India shading it magrinally but look at the last test Pak was without its Captain and best batsman they lost the crucial toss were in all sorts of trouble but fought back brilliantly and won by 341 runs.
341 RUNS is a massive margin. And i would disagree that this tour has been a success for India, test series is the main thing and like it or not India got soundly beaten.
adharcric
International Coach
They were not unlucky to lose the test series. Pakistan clearly outplayed India at Karachi. But they didn't really lose a series, rather just a match, because that was such a pathetic series thanks to the useless pitches prepared. It wasn't a good test of the two test teams, but whatever little there was, Pakistan won fair and square.Xuhaib said:
Xuhaib
International Coach
Actually i would disagree. I know that the pitches were a batting paradise during the first 2 tests but i dont think the Multan wicket of 04 series was any different but India won that match compehensivley since they had a much superior team then .
This time around the teams were almost evenly matched talent wise aswell as mentally thats why two dead tracks produced boring draws instead of a land slide victory for the better team. And in one test where both teams had the opportunity of showing their skills properly Pak came out on top easily so therefore i would say a 1-0 result for Pakistan wasa fair result
adharcric
International Coach
I'm not saying it wasn't a fair result. Pakistan won that match deservingly. I'm just saying that a 3-match series should include 3 sporting matches that test the teams well, not 2 boring ones (obviously they'll be boring with batting-strong teams like these) and a final test. Don't take it as an excuse for India's defeat though, all props to the Pakistanis.Xuhaib said:
If it was such a mediocre bowling attack and was pitted against a powerful batting lineup (like you say so) then why did India lost 5 wkts while chasing a small total of 161?? Even in previous match India were in danger of losing it but Dhoni saved the day for India, the opening bowling pair of Asif and Gul caused India all sorts of problem!!adharcric said:
Fact its that the bowling was fine.They were inexperianced yet they did their job well.Umar Gul took time to adjust but then he was making a come back after a long time.Rana Naveed was the real culprit though and he should have been droped from the team.But what actually let down Pak team on their field was their fielding, had their fielding even be anywhere near of the international level, then they would have done much better.