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***Official*** India in Pakistan

SJS

SJS

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adharcric said:
In that case, wouldn't you rather make Raina the supersub and go in with a specialist opener. Personally though, I want Raina in the regular XI as I think he is an even better prospect than Gambhir.
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I personally prefer a bits and pieces player (not a genuine all rounder for then he should be in the playing XI anyway) to be the super sub. In that case at least one of his talents can be used in place of a specialist batsman or specialist bowler. This gives half a player whose reasonable bowling or batting skills can be used by sides.

By taking specialists teams are trying to have TWELVE players instead of the eleven and a half that ICC meant them to have. :)

Of course if you take a specialist as super sub you risk not being able to use him at all and ICC refuses to change to allow super subs announcement after the toss for that would effectively make it a permanent 12 players a side match.

If all sides had realised this and always gone with a bits and pieces player we would not have seen so much negative publicity of the super-sub law and it wouldnt have had to be scrapped.
 
SJS

SJS

Hall of Fame Member
What use is Zaheer as a super-sub as of this point in time for this game. Powar could have been handy with the bat IF the need arose.

I would have said the same for Raina too but I dont see him bowling at all for India. I thought he could bowl a bit. But he is surely a better super sub than Zaheer who would be a liability in the field if he had to besides the fact that he is not a great bat.

Maybe he would be a liability with the ball too :)
 
Jono

Jono

Virat Kohli (c)
SJS said:
I personally prefer a bits and pieces player (not a genuine all rounder for then he should be in the playing XI anyway) to be the super sub. In that case at least one of his talents can be used in place of a specialist batsman or specialist bowler. This gives half a player whose reasonable bowling or batting skills can be used by sides.

By taking specialists teams are trying to have TWELVE players instead of the eleven and a half that ICC meant them to have. :)

Of course if you take a specialist as super sub you risk not being able to use him at all and ICC refuses to change to allow super subs announcement after the toss for that would effectively make it a permanent 12 players a side match.

If all sides had realised this and always gone with a bits and pieces player we would not have seen so much negative publicity of the super-sub law and it wouldnt have had to be scrapped.
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There still would have been the negativity anyway. Australia were using Hopes as their super-sub (bits and pieces), and sometimes Hogg who can be classified as a bowler who can bat. People still didn't like the rule.

Anyway brilliant bowling by India. RP Singh continues to bowl brilliantly. He really is a talent and should never.... EVER have been left out for the first two ODIs based on his impressive ODI record already. Stupid move there by the selectors. Pathan has been in great form in the past few matches, and its good to see Sreesanth not only get a wicket but keep it tight as well. India need to scalp Inzy now, that's the key wicket.
honestbharani said:
You better live up to what Marc asked you to do, Jono. Or the Great One will take away all your powers.


Sing AA's praise, NOW. :p
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Yay he got a wicket. But boo he's the only bowler going at over 5 an over. ;)
 
Jono

Jono

Virat Kohli (c)
AND ANOTHER IN THE SAME OVER! Whooo :cool: Pakistan 127/7

Razzaq gone, RP Singh has 4 and my fantasy cricket team will be loving this. I'm damn happy I had faith that he'd eventually play some games after missing the first 2. :)
 
alternative

alternative

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RP is bowling very good, makes u wonder why they ever dropped him in the start of the ODI series.. Sreesanth also bowled pretty good.. very impressive..

One Negative aspect is the extras of 16 wides...
 
Jono

Jono

Virat Kohli (c)
Yeah RP Singh has given away 9 wides yet has still got figures of 9-0-4-32. Amazing since obviously the ones he's bowled on line have been superb.

If he can bowl the right lines and lengths from ball 1 of his spell, and reduce his wides, he'll be an even better bowler.
 
Jono

Jono

Virat Kohli (c)
SJS said:
nor do
i for that matter.
i was just telling how it could be best tackled as long as it existed :)
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Yeah that's fine, I agree with you that a bits and pieces player was always the best super-sub.

One thing I thought I understood but now I don't, is the naming of Zaheer as super-sub. I thought it was to take advantage if India do lose the toss and are sent in to bat, but it seems silly now. Powar would be much better.
 
Jono

Jono

Virat Kohli (c)
alternative said:
SRT gets another one.. whooo.. and its of INZI.. got him in consecutive matches...
its 131/8..
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:D:D:D

"Inzamam has been dismissed 7 times in ODI Cricket by Tendulkar!"
 
alternative

alternative

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Jono said:
Haha I just added that fact in to my post. You're on the ball Alternative ;)
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yeh... thats the second best bowling figures for RP singh, first ofcourse is of the srilanka match where he had the figures of 4/35 at Rajkot.. and now ending his spell for 4/40..
impressive...
 
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Pathan gets another one... Mohammed Sami is out...
great bowling this by india..

Pakistan is still 1 run short(148) of the lowest ever score by Pakistan..
 
SJS

SJS

Hall of Fame Member
Jono said:
Yeah that's fine, I agree with you that a bits and pieces player was always the best super-sub.

One thing I thought I understood but now I don't, is the naming of Zaheer as super-sub. I thought it was to take advantage if India do lose the toss and are sent in to bat, but it seems silly now. Powar would be much better.
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I think it is very silly too. I can think of the arhuement they may have though not a justification according to me.

India may feel very confident if they were chasing and are planning the supersub situation in case this happy situation (India fielding first) does not come about. Then they think India is vulnerable trying to defend the score irrespective of how large it is and thus Zaheer to bolster the bowling in such a case.

My argument against this is, of course, that even as a bowler, I would prefer Powar but the team management doesnt, obviously.

There is a small possibility that they are giving Zaheer every opportunity before the inevitable axe that may come at the end of this tour. They had dropped him earlier and there was a big clamour to bring him back due to "form-on-the-domestic-circuit" (always the most dubious criteria for judging form in India). They may be wanting to make sure that when they drop him this time, all the yuppy selectors working for Indian media do not have any legs to stand on. No arms to crawl on either - in fact. :)
 
SJS

SJS

Hall of Fame Member
alternative said:
for a record, SRT has taken inzi's wicket 7 times... so its a good one for the little master..
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If he gets him one more time, he will join Jayasuriya and Vekatesh Prasad as the bowlers to get him the most times.

Just for the records this is the second time he was out LBW to Sachin. Besides he has been caught behind twice, bowled once and stumped once.
 
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