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*Official* India in Pakistan Thread
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marc71178
Eyes not spreadsheets
1-0 and 1-1 is 2-1. 4 draws in there suggests the teams are pretty evenly matched.Lions81 said:
Aside from the fact it was 2-1, that doesn't show either side to be clearly better. Heck, England just won 3-0 in the WI, but I don't think you can say they were that much better than the WI.Lions81 said:
It's not about thrashing, it's about consistency - as it stands, when was the last time India won an away Test Series (I know that will change in the next 24 hours or so, but that's still only 1 in about 16 years, including a series in Zimbabwe!)Lions81 said:
Erm, if we're at home, we're the one's showing them hospitality...Lions81 said:And the last team in memory who really gave it to us good was New Zealand, and those pitches were insane, and they're coming to give you a taste of New Zealand hospitality in a few months!
That series promises to be a good, well fought and close affair - the one thing that could definitiely count in England's favour is the size of the NZ squad though.
Lions81
U19 Cricketer
marc71178 said:
My fault, I confused the India-England results with the India-Australia ones. Yes you're right 2-1, with 4 draws.
I think England beating 3-0 does in fact show that they are a far better test side. Otherwise what is the point of even keeping score? By what margin would England had to have won that series to be considered the far better team? Unless you can show that England cheated to win, how can they not be considered far better as a test side than the West Indies? 3-0 is 3-0.
Yes, India have been inconsistent, but I think hopefully the team has turned a new leaf. Remember, Australia were trash in the 1970s, until they turned over a new leaf as well.
And I clearly meant New Zealand hospitality as a humorous implication of New Zealand's penchant for playing better away than home! I did say "coming"!!
marc71178
Eyes not spreadsheets
Lions81 said:
Because in all 3 Tests we won, the match was very close until a session or so where England stepped up to the plate and battled.
1st Test - the 47 all out after a close 1st innins battle.
2nd Test - 100-0 to about 130-7
3rd Test - Thorpe battles us to a lead of 4 or 5 by adding 70 for the last 2 wickets (out a total of about 200) then a Hoggard hat-trick just as WI were looking to get on top.
That's why the 3-0 was IMO flattering.
Lions81
U19 Cricketer
You act as if those batting collapses had nothing to do with the quality of the bowling! The West Indies did not decide it would be fun to be 47 all out, it was superb fast bowling from Harmison. Same with 2nd test and Hoggard's hat trick. Thorpe's innings was excellent as it was against Edwards and Best who had their tails up, were bowling fire and was under huge pressure. If they were so close, wouldn't you figure the Windies would've taken one of those tests? Even when they put up 700, they couldn't bowl England out twice. England is unquestionably a much better test team than the West Indies, and they'll have a chance to prove me wrong when West Indies visit!marc71178 said:
Vroomfondel
U19 12th Man
amazing. three dropped catches.
so what is it? they don't want to win this one?
"pehle aap"?
so what is it? they don't want to win this one?
"pehle aap"?
bhooth nath
School Boy/Girl Captain
already 5 dropped catches today. pakistan should have been 5 down atleast by now. not a good display by the indian fieldsman 
we need to improve our fielding now. although 2 of them were real tough ones.
we need to improve our fielding now. although 2 of them were real tough ones.
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Adamc
Cricketer Of The Year
15.3 Balaji to Kamran Akmal, FOUR, good length delivery outside the off
stump, Kamran Akmal tries to pull his bat away but the ball takes
the edge and goes behind, just past the diving Laxman at second
slip, was a hard chance but should go down as a drop
16.4 Pathan to Kamran Akmal, no run, on the pads, ball stopped a bit on
the batsman, Akmal pushes at it, not sure if he got an inside edge
but that dosen't matter as Yuvraj fails to hold on to it at
forward short leg!
19.5 Balaji to Yasir Hameed, no run, dropped! pitched up outside the off
stump, driven away to the point region, Tendulkar dives well to
his left but is not able to hold on to it, hard chance but another
strike in the "dropped" column
21.6 Balaji to Inzamam-ul-Haq, no run, goodness me! another catch
dropped! superb delivery on the middle and off stump line, Inzi
pushes at it and gets a thick edge, this time it's Dravid's turn,
another easy catch dropped at first slip
22.2 Pathan to Yasir Hameed, two runs, dear oh dear! this is
unbelievable! another chance goes begging! pitched up delivery
angling across the right hander, Hameed drives away from his body
and hits it uplishly to the gully region, this time it's Kumble
who drops it
What's that, five dropped in eight overs?
stump, Kamran Akmal tries to pull his bat away but the ball takes
the edge and goes behind, just past the diving Laxman at second
slip, was a hard chance but should go down as a drop
16.4 Pathan to Kamran Akmal, no run, on the pads, ball stopped a bit on
the batsman, Akmal pushes at it, not sure if he got an inside edge
but that dosen't matter as Yuvraj fails to hold on to it at
forward short leg!
19.5 Balaji to Yasir Hameed, no run, dropped! pitched up outside the off
stump, driven away to the point region, Tendulkar dives well to
his left but is not able to hold on to it, hard chance but another
strike in the "dropped" column
21.6 Balaji to Inzamam-ul-Haq, no run, goodness me! another catch
dropped! superb delivery on the middle and off stump line, Inzi
pushes at it and gets a thick edge, this time it's Dravid's turn,
another easy catch dropped at first slip
22.2 Pathan to Yasir Hameed, two runs, dear oh dear! this is
unbelievable! another chance goes begging! pitched up delivery
angling across the right hander, Hameed drives away from his body
and hits it uplishly to the gully region, this time it's Kumble
who drops it
What's that, five dropped in eight overs?
bhooth nath
School Boy/Girl Captain
Finally Hameed goes out caught by parthiv, who took a excellent diving catch. hopefully this improves our fielding. pakistan in deep trouble now, at 90/4 with serious danger of a big innings defeat over them.
also, indias biggest win away is an inn & 52 runs in the 1st match of this series, hopefully, we can beat it today. and i cant wait to see indias 1st away series win since 1994 when india best sri lanka in sri lanka. well played, indian team, you deserve it
also, indias biggest win away is an inn & 52 runs in the 1st match of this series, hopefully, we can beat it today. and i cant wait to see indias 1st away series win since 1994 when india best sri lanka in sri lanka. well played, indian team, you deserve it
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Lions81
U19 Cricketer
Really shocking!Proud Indian said:
A really funny thing a Pakistani friend of mine said after I was needling him about the test series, and after he tried to say it was all match-fixing:
"That Dravid is a selfish guy. He takes the bookie's money, but he doesn't get out!"
Hehe.
Balaji might be the hero of this game
luckyeddie
Cricket Web Staff Member
Heavy rain is forecast for later this afternoon and all of tomorrow - although you wouldn't think it the way Shoaib threw the bat (unless getting the ball stuck on the roof is a deliberate delaying tactic, of course).
Ganguly will even get umbrellas for India to bowl them out and win the series