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*Official* India in Pakistan Thread

luckyeddie

Cricket Web Staff Member
Re: Kumble's stumping

Arjun said:
If you look at Kumble's stumping today, you would definitely notice that Anil had his foot within the crease, which should not have been declared out, even if it was narrowly over the line. It's bad enough when umpires, unaided, make that odd mistake, but how can someone as well-equipped as the third umpire make mistakes like this one? He should go back to school!
Whilst I wholeheartedly concur that the decision was very much a surprise, if people on this board had their way, there would be no umpires left.

I was a belter of a decision, though. Interesting in the Sky Sports studio the guests were being very diplomatic about the whole affair, saying such things like 'well maybe his heel was JUST off the ground'. This was countered by 'well, then a spike would be touching the ground' followed by 'he is not wearing spikes' and so on.

I couldn't actually see how it could be anything other than not out. It's a good job it didn't have any real bearing on the outcome.
 

indianreligion

School Boy/Girl Captain
Re: Re: Kumble's stumping

luckyeddie said:
Whilst I wholeheartedly concur that the decision was very much a surprise, if people on this board had their way, there would be no umpires left.

I was a belter of a decision, though. Interesting in the Sky Sports studio the guests were being very diplomatic about the whole affair, saying such things like 'well maybe his heel was JUST off the ground'. This was countered by 'well, then a spike would be touching the ground' followed by 'he is not wearing spikes' and so on.

I couldn't actually see how it could be anything other than not out. It's a good job it didn't have any real bearing on the outcome.

3rd umpire prolly was tired and wanted to get over with the match...so he gave it out...:rolleyes:
 

Anil

Hall of Fame Member
Well done Pakistan! The final match should be a real humdinger now!

The Indian bowlers once again proved how mediocre they are. The only way for India to have any chance to take this series or even draw it is if the batsmen click in a big way in the third test. In this Indian team, the batsmen cannot afford even the slightest margin of error, or else the bowlers will simply give it away completely to the opposition.
 

Lions81

U19 Cricketer
Re: Re: Kumble's stumping

luckyeddie said:
Whilst I wholeheartedly concur that the decision was very much a surprise, if people on this board had their way, there would be no umpires left.

I was a belter of a decision, though. Interesting in the Sky Sports studio the guests were being very diplomatic about the whole affair, saying such things like 'well maybe his heel was JUST off the ground'. This was countered by 'well, then a spike would be touching the ground' followed by 'he is not wearing spikes' and so on.

I couldn't actually see how it could be anything other than not out. It's a good job it didn't have any real bearing on the outcome.
I guess this speaks to the whole debate on increased technology in the game. I think there should be more, as I've stated in the thread on it, but I clearly forgot to account for fools who use the technology. Yeah fortunately, it didn't really matter this time, but what about next time? Maybe they need to have the tv umpire refer it to a fourth umpire who has to send it to the fifth umpire who makes the final decision. :lol:
 

Lions81

U19 Cricketer
Re: Re: Kumble's stumping

luckyeddie said:
Whilst I wholeheartedly concur that the decision was very much a surprise, if people on this board had their way, there would be no umpires left.

How can we get rid of umpires? If we do, how will Billy Bowden signal leg-byes/make a pass at me?
 

luckyeddie

Cricket Web Staff Member
Re: Re: Re: Kumble's stumping

indianreligion said:
3rd umpire prolly was tired and wanted to get over with the match...so he gave it out...:rolleyes:
Tell you what, IR - that's as good if not better than any reason I've ever heard for any decision - ever.

If I had my way, you would win a wowwypop.:D
 

luckyeddie

Cricket Web Staff Member
Re: Re: Re: Kumble's stumping

Lions81 said:
How can we get rid of umpires? If we do, how will Billy Bowden signal leg-byes/make a pass at me?
Ah, the Eartha Kitt impersonation. Just needs a feather boa around his neck and he could sing 'Old Fashioned Girl' to me all day long.
 

Lions81

U19 Cricketer
Re: Re: Re: Re: Kumble's stumping

luckyeddie said:
Ah, the Eartha Kitt impersonation. Just needs a feather boa around his neck and he could sing 'Old Fashioned Girl' to me all day long.
And from the end of the Sydney Test, it's apparent that he wants Steve Waugh as his Batman.
 
Raj123 said:
is it just me or have you completely forgotten the 500 runs the indian bowlers gave away. the indian batsman after the 1st innings put us on the backfoot but the game was lost only after conceding 200 extra runs.





What makes you think that India gave 200 extra runs to Pakistan? Did anyone say that it was just a 300 run wicket??

Mate the wkt was batting friendly from second day, Indian bowlers did bowl well, but as i pointed earlier they had LITTLE luck.

The game was lost when UMAR gul took 5 quick wkt, and don't forget Umar got injured and didn't bowled after that.India were 7 down at 150 then, had Umar gul continued India would have certainly bowled out to a csore less than 200!!


10 batsman failed in the two innings and all you do is blame sachin for it. are rest of the batsman in there just to look pretty. he comes to the wicket at 15/2, trailing 185 and everyone expects a miracle from him.
I thought i clearly said that whole batting lineup failed, if someone did disagree with that then it was just you:rolleyes: .

I criticised Sachin for choking once again, something he's very consistently been doing and is now becomming an embaressment!
 

luckyeddie

Cricket Web Staff Member
vandemataram said:

I criticised Sachin for choking once again, something he's very consistently been doing and is now becomming an embaressment!
Like in his two previous matches?

A few weeks ago, there was much discussion about the amount of pressure players such as Brian Lara and Sachin Tendulkar are placed under.

It's no wonder they choke every now and again, really.
 
My congrats to Pak fans!

Well Pak played better cricket and defeateda stronger team, this match proves that the team that is more determined to win the match ends up getting a positive result.

I think Indians were complacent after the first test victory, everyone kept saying that they will easily beat Pak 3-0, and Indians probably took Pak lightly.

However one shouldn't forget that some important umpiring decisions went against Indians.

I think India will come back strongly in the third match and will beat Pak.
 
luckyeddie said:
Like in his two previous matches?

A few weeks ago, there was much discussion about the amount of pressure players such as Brian Lara and Sachin Tendulkar are placed under.

It's no wonder they choke every now and again, really.
I'm talking about Matches in which India are down and are facing defeat, in such matches Sachin usually flops.

Steven Waugh said that battling to get a draw for your side in a match when the team is down is also an achievement, Waugh almost always delivered in crunch situation.Unfortunately same cannot be said about the world's best batsmen.
 

Beleg

International Regular
However one shouldn't forget that some important umpiring decisions went against Indians
As they went against Pakistan in the first test.

The game was lost when UMAR gul took 5 quick wkt, and don't forget Umar got injured and didn't bowled after that.India were 7 down at 150 then, had Umar gul continued India would have certainly bowled out to a csore less than 200!!
I don't think so. The wicket had eased up considerably and I don't think Umer Gul's viles would have been enough to restrict India under 200. This could have been done by sheer pace and toe-crushing yorkers, which Pakistanies failed to do.

I personally think that the wicket played well throughout the test match with the exception of the usual first two hours.

As for Sachin choking, I find the notion ridiculus. If Sehwag had failed to score considerably in the second match, would he have been termed as a choker too?
Pathan bowled really well, and since It isnt often that Pakistanies play left arm fasties, they usually struggle against the indippers bowled from round the wicket. [A thing often commented upon by the experts]. I wasn't too impressed with Kumble though. I agree with Arjun [Who in other thread pointed out] that Pakistanies are compartively weaker against the spinners then right hand fasties, and the inclusion of Powar or Karthik in place of Agarkar wouldn't be a bad idea. I personally don't think that Agarkar is a test class player.
If the Indians can get Inzamam and Taufeeq Umer out cheaply, they'll have the Pakistan team firmly by the balls. [Other players, with the exception of Yohanna cannot be relied upon].
I can't find any fault with Dravid decision of going out to bat. There wasn't anything very extraordinarily bad with the wicket. India had a decidedly better line-up and Pakistani wickets are known to play bad on the fifth/fourth day. On the other hand they aren't known for huge amount of lateral movement [Which I never saw in Lahore]. The decision of batting first had worked earlier and no wonder they hoped to more or less repeat their earlier performance.
Also remember that the bulk of wickets fell after the first hour, when Umer Gul came to bat. They were more the result of some careless swishing outside the off-stump [by the somewhat over-confident Indian outfit] then the result of sensational bowling.

If Pakistan has to win the Rawalpindi game, Shoaib and Sami have to deliver. Umer Gul can come up with a sinsilating performance once in a while, but he cannot be backed the repeat the same feat over and again. The only problem is that unlike Wasim and Waqar, where Waqar was the allout attacker, and Wasim the threatening defender, all Sami and Shoaib do is attack. They don't worry about the concension and accumulation of runs, which after a while began's to tell. I would dearly love to have Shabbir back in the team, he is a much better and threatening bowler then Umer Gul IMO and extract more out of a pitch then him and besides, can do the donkey work if required. [The fatigue of Umer Gul was clearly evident after bowling a horde of overs on the first day].
 

Raj123

U19 Debutant
I criticised Sachin for choking once again, something he's very consistently been doing and is now becomming an embaressment!
mate, i think the answer is in your statement "consistently". india are "consistently" getting themselves into hopeless situations, and you expect him to perform miracles consistently, that isnt fair.

and about the bowlers, 700 runs and 3 days were given to them, what transpired out of it.
 

tooextracool

International Coach
Raj123 said:
is it just me or have you completely forgotten the 500 runs the indian bowlers gave away. the indian batsman after the 1st innings put us on the backfoot but the game was lost only after conceding 200 extra runs.
believe me this was a pitch where u desperately needed to score more than 287. india did precisely what they did in barbados 3 years ago on a similar pitch only with yuvraj and irfan making it look a little bit better. their bowling u might say wasnt great but their batting was simply horrible


Originally posted by Raj123 10 batsman failed in the two innings and all you do is blame sachin for it. are rest of the batsman in there just to look pretty. he comes to the wicket at 15/2, trailing 185 and everyone expects a miracle from him. [/B]
it seems when sachin comes in at 15/2 he always fails these days....ive seen laxman,dravid and even ganguly rescue their team from a difficult situation....why cant sachin?
 
Beleg said:
As they went against Pakistan in the first test.




Thst has nothing to do with the misfortune of Indian bowlers in second test.

I don't think so. The wicket had eased up considerably and I don't think Umer Gul's viles would have been enough to restrict India under 200. This could have been done by sheer pace and toe-crushing yorkers, which Pakistanies failed to do.
True, but you shouldn't forget the India got bulk of the runs off the bowling of Sami who bowled pathetically, infact Sami gifted runs to Indian batsmen.Had a better bowler in Gul been available, Sami and Akhter wouldn't had been required to bowl that much when they were clearly struggling and hence the Indian total would have been shorter.


As for Sachin choking, I find the notion ridiculus. If Sehwag had failed to score considerably in the second match, would he have been termed as a choker too?
Problem is that your judgement is just based on one match, mine is based on matches played over the years.Performance in one match counts for little really.
 
Raj123 said:
mate, i think the answer is in your statement "consistently". india are "consistently" getting themselves into hopeless situations, and you expect him to perform miracles consistently, that isnt fair.
First India aren't consistently getting into hopeless situation, secondarily i am not expecting Sachin to perform miracles, just that i expect him to play like normal Sachin in crunch situation too.
 

tooextracool

International Coach
luckyeddie said:
Like in his two previous matches?

A few weeks ago, there was much discussion about the amount of pressure players such as Brian Lara and Sachin Tendulkar are placed under.

It's no wonder they choke every now and again, really.
the problem is that tendulkar has started choking consistently.scoring 450 runs on the flattest of pitches in the world when ur team scores 650 and 700 isnt really something to be proud of,especially if ur supposed to be the best batsman in the world.
and how exactly is sachin under more pressure than someone like dravid?yet dravid ends up performing more times than him when required....even lara has performed under pressure before, the WI batting is far worse than indias and he still plays some match winning knocks
 

luckyeddie

Cricket Web Staff Member
tooextracool said:
and how exactly is sachin under more pressure than someone like dravid?

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Oh, come on. Sachin has carried the hopes, expectations and aspirations of a nation for what - 14 years? That's the kind of pressure I mean.
 
luckyeddie said:
Oh, come on. Sachin has carried the hopes, expectations and aspirations of a nation for what - 14 years? That's the kind of pressure I mean.
True, Sachin has faced more pressure than Dravid, but unlike Dravid Sachin isn't a pressure player.

In the early 90's, Sachin was suppose to be the lone match winner for India, but now with Dravid,Laxman,Sehwag and Yuvraj around, one can expect the pressure on sachin to be considerably less than what was it before.
 

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