***Official India in New Zealand***

[Tim]

Yeah hard to see Scotty getting back in the mix at this stage. It would have been unthinkable two years ago to leave Styris out of the side..but there ya go...it's not like he's completely lost his ability either.

 

[silentstriker]

Well, it was clearly the winds and the cold that caused the loss tbh.

 

[pasag]

Will still be too cold for the cotton-wool Indian journos. I think we all know what the headlines are going to be if India loses.

"Chilly conditions trip up mighty India".

...

Aware that Indians were short on match practice, the Kiwi captain’s decision was fully supported by his bowlers, who managed to get wickets on regular intervals as Indian batsmen found it tough to adjust to the chilly conditions.

India 162 for 8, Kiwis lose first wicket

 

[G.I.Joe]

Hmm I do remember that. Bastard has stronger connotations in India and to Indian people, I think that's what all the furore was about (as it often in between India and Australia). Bastard is a throwaway term here, used quite frequently whereas IIRC it's a strong insult over there.

Was that in a send off though? Or in general play? Can't remember much about it, myself.

Yeah, I remember that. It was done with the intention of pointing out the double standards of the Aussies in crying over the m word. Different cultures, different connotations etc. However I think Kumble either took back the complaint or didn't make it officially at all to indicate to Ponting how Sydney should have been handled by them.

 

[pasag]

Yeah, I remember that. It was done with the intention of pointing out the double standards of the Aussies in crying over the m word. Different cultures, different connotations etc. However I think Kumble either took back the complaint or didn't make it officially at all to indicate to Ponting how Sydney should have been handled by them.

Don't want to derail the thread, but as was pointed out at the time that the comparison falls apart when you factor in that Harbi was made culturally aware of the significance of the term by Symonds in private when he used it for the first time in India. The whole Hogg thing was just pure pettiness and that's why I imagine Kumble withdrew the complaint, not because he was trying to teach us all a lesson.

 

[Precambrian]

Don't want to derail the thread, but as was pointed out at the time that the comparison falls apart when you factor in that Harbi was made culturally aware of the significance of the term by Symonds in private when he used it for the first time in India. The whole Hogg thing was just pure pettiness and that's why I imagine Kumble withdrew the complaint, not because he was trying to teach us all a lesson.

Great to see mod himself hijack it.

Here's my contribution:

Harby never called Symonds what he was appraised of earlier as racist comments. Instead he said something which is roughly comparable to what Hogg used to utter all the time.

 

[G.I.Joe]

Don't want to derail the thread, but as was pointed out at the time that the comparison falls apart when you factor in that Harbi was made culturally aware of the significance of the term by Symonds in private when he used it for the first time in India. The whole Hogg thing was just pure pettiness and that's why I imagine Kumble withdrew the complaint, not because he was trying to teach us all a lesson.

I think the point was that the Aussies had an idea that most of the sledging they dish out is culturally unacceptable to the Indians, yet they've been carrying on with it anyway all the time without consideration to how insulting the opponents consider it. So it was more of a 'screw you' reaction. You can't expect your opponents to lay off a set of insults if you don't play by the rules yourself. Unless of course, you think the Aussies had no idea some their sledges would be culturally unacceptable to the Indians, which I consider improbable given the number of tour exchanges the teams have had this decade alone.

 

[pasag]

I think the point was that the Aussies had an idea that most of the sledging they dish out is culturally unacceptable to the Indians, yet they've been carrying on with it anyway all the time without consideration to how insulting the opponents consider it. So it was more of a 'screw you' reaction. You can't expect your opponents to lay off a set of insults if you don't play by the rules yourself. Unless of course, you think the Aussies had no idea some their sledges would be culturally unacceptable to the Indians, which I consider improbable given the number of tour exchanges the teams have had this decade alone.

Yeah, that was clearly the Indian point of view and it's one that's understandable though what the Aussies knew is up for debate. From an Australian point of view they obviously think certain things are acceptable and certain things aren't and that's where most cultures are going to clash and it's not anything new. The conflict begins when one or both sides refuse to educate and acknowledge the other culture -back in the 60s Benaud made a specific request from the govt. before going to the subcontinent that he be briefed on the cultures and customs of the people in India and Pakistan in order not to offend and to be diplomatic when representing Australia. Some of the current captains could learn a great deal from the old man.

 

[G.I.Joe]

Yeah, that was clearly the Indian point of view and it's one that's understandable though what the Aussies knew is up for debate. From an Australian point of view they obviously think certain things are acceptable and certain things aren't and that's where most cultures are going to clash and it's not anything new. The conflict begins when one or both sides refuse to educate and acknowledge the other culture -back in the 60s Benaud made a specific request from the govt. before going to the subcontinent that he be briefed on the cultures and customs of the people in India and Pakistan in order not to offend and to be diplomatic when representing Australia. Some of the current captains could learn a great deal from the old man.

Yeah, commercialisation of cricket doesn't help too. The teams of the decade past are more willing to get out their hotels and experience the host countries first hand, compared to the 80s and early 90s. However it does no good that the occasions they do venture out are spent mainly on fulfilling commercial obligations, making public appearances for their sponsors, ad and photoshoots etc. The instances of joint team dinners, for example, are hard to come across nowadays. In a sense, I'm glad the IPL exists. Players from different countries playing for the same team in the IPL are unlikely to step on each others toes outside the IPL.

 

[aussie]

Haa, thought Ian Butler was another condemed Kiwi bowler to the injury section.

Was he bowling at good pace??

 

[GGG]

Haa, thought Ian Butler was another condemed Kiwi bowler to the injury section.

Was he bowling at good pace??

First time I have seen him bowl since he broke down, no where near the pace he use to be but much more acurate. I was wondering who the heck it was when I started watching 5 overs into the match.

 

[Jono]

Why does Irfan still bowl?

 

[HMas]

India bowling aside from Khan & Ishant is weak. Kiwis can play them out & go after likes of pathans ,yuvi & bhaggi

 

[Raghav]

I'm loving the New Zealand limited overs side at the moment...so many multi-skilled players coming through.

 

[Smudge]

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India 162 for 8, Kiwis lose first wicket

I'm a sooth-****ing-sayer.

 

[cbuts]

bowling in the high 130's to low 140's. Not bad for someone who was told he will never bowl again.

He has gotta be in the ODI team, drop Southee

 

[GGG]

bowling in the high 130's to low 140's. Not bad for someone who was told he will never bowl again.

He has gotta be in the ODI team, drop Southee

Was he bowling that fast, I only managed to catch a few overs, must of been bowling a lot of slower balls.

 

[Brett Dale]

What a great nights entertainment the cricket was, and its all thanks to the Indian community in New Zealand, walking into the Paul Kelly stand was a delight, fans were greeted by a Bollywood style dance number, that had the crowd dancing and cheering with delight, even before they got to their seats! ( New Zealand cricket should of used this dance group during the match instead of the dancers they had performing on the field between overs)

The crowd of 16 thousand people, enjoyed themselves, the home team won, there was a world record 24 sixes hit, but the highlight had to be the thousands of Indian supporters that had turned up, waving hundreds of flags, wearing their bodypaint, chanting and singing during the match.

This is an important tour for New Zealand cricket, and it couldn't got off to a better start, may the rest of the tour be as successful as last night.

 

[Flem274*]

Ian Butler has been impressive, can he still swing/seam the ball?

 

[thierry henry]

Was he bowling that fast, I only managed to catch a few overs, must of been bowling a lot of slower balls.

No, he wasn't. I think he is just deceptively fast.

In all honesty, in his "prime" Butler was about 140-145kph (he only had the "potential" to bowl faster) so he actually hasn't lost that much