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thierry henry
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For me Oram's catch was 100x better than Voges' catch, don't see how it could be argued otherwise....Voges was able to do what he did quite comfortably (apart from his own clumsiness in tripping) whereas Oram had to do everything quickly, on the run, and off-balance.
irfan
State Captain
Ouch. Still trying to get the dagger out...
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Very true.
Agree with Guptill, he has looked shakey early on but seems to have luck on his side at the mo. **** he hits very cleanly though.
McCullum has been ordinary for a while now. Had a purple patch last year with his hundy in the final and then plundering some runs in the IPL/ICL - who knows. I think he is more valuable lower in the order. He can hit well but also run the singles when the boundaries aren't coming for him. I worry about relying on Oram as a big hitter - early on he looks really unco, sure he may edge some flukey shots for four but it's often 50/50 that he will get out to them. Having McCullum there takes some pressure off him. See how things go having Ryder and Guptill opening for a bit.
Stoked for Butler. He must have worked his ass off to get back to where he is, and perhaps he's a better all round player. More accurate bowling, and a much better lower order batsman. Credit where it's due.
Remember when he broke his finger taking that catch. How the hell did his finger get in that position? I mean he was an age group rep goalie after all.
Arjun
Cricketer Of The Year
The Indians have surely got a rude shock of how inept they now appear at T20. We've seen a shot attempted off nearly every delivery, and they've either missed, or offered dolly catches. They need to go back to the drawing board and look at what went wrong- though, looking at how the Kiwis batted, it's plain and simple- the temperament was absent. The Kiwis batted for big scores, while the Indians were only trying to hit stuff around. No concept of a substantial innings existed at all.
But wait, this is India's best T20 team. You don't need a change in personnel. They just need to get their act together, as they are, to win the next match. Their best performances have come when they built innings and partnerships. Yuvraj may be famous for six sixes against Stuart Broad, but his score of 70 against the Aussies in the same event was more valuable. Talking of Yuvraj, he shouldn't be handed the ball any more on this tour- he isn't good enough. The team should stay the same for the next match, but the application has to change from the batsmen. The Kiwis have smashed Irfan and Yusuf, their best T20 players, all around, so there's no excuse for the Indians not to do the same to Ian Butler and Nate McCullum.
But wait, this is India's best T20 team. You don't need a change in personnel. They just need to get their act together, as they are, to win the next match. Their best performances have come when they built innings and partnerships. Yuvraj may be famous for six sixes against Stuart Broad, but his score of 70 against the Aussies in the same event was more valuable. Talking of Yuvraj, he shouldn't be handed the ball any more on this tour- he isn't good enough. The team should stay the same for the next match, but the application has to change from the batsmen. The Kiwis have smashed Irfan and Yusuf, their best T20 players, all around, so there's no excuse for the Indians not to do the same to Ian Butler and Nate McCullum.
Precambrian
Banned
You must be kidding. Brad Hogg was the most despised bowler during India;s tour to Australia.Brad Hogg? Don't remember him ever giving a send off. Zaheer gave a totally unneccesary one tonight to Ross Taylor.
Precambrian
Banned
Nope. You should have seen him in Indian home ODI series. He even had a word or two to Tendulkar, who quietly remarked he will never get him again, tests or ODIs. Stayed true to the word and brought down the curtains on Hogg's career in the summer followin.
Precambrian
Banned
I can't believe this. Are you really so blind in your Aussie love? Hello, this was the guy who was reported to the Match Referee for calling the Indians terrible words.
Precambrian
Banned
Fully agree. Anyone but Oram, it would have been a six. He looked so calm and controlled.
dontcloseyoureyes
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When did he give send offs? Never said he didn't, only said I don't remember it. Wouldn't mind an example.
dontcloseyoureyes
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Hmm I do remember that. Bastard has stronger connotations in India and to Indian people, I think that's what all the furore was about (as it often in between India and Australia). Bastard is a throwaway term here, used quite frequently whereas IIRC it's a strong insult over there.
Was that in a send off though? Or in general play? Can't remember much about it, myself.
Precambrian
Banned
Any ODI series involving him and India. Including the one in 2007 end. That was when he was decided as the target to be taken care of in the return series.
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Weird, I watched that series and I don't remember any send offs. Usually I notice them.
Funniest one was when Brett Lee gave one to Shane Bond. I mean, Shane Bond. Seriously.