**Official** India in Bangladesh Thread

[Anil]

oh the shame of it all!!! to lose to this pathetic bangladeshi side.....how pathetically poor they must have played to come down to that standard...??

 

[Anil]

Its a dark day when a second XI get beaten by a side who should never have been admitted in the first place.. I know I will be completely on my own against the romantics who love to see the underdog win.. I just want international cricket to be as strong as it can be..

agree with your sentiments...i was hoping that over a period of time they will get tired of losing and being the whipping boys and bow out of international cricket or ICC having given the longest rope anyone has given anyone else will remove them....these kind of wins give them an excuse to hang on a little longer....

now what are india going to do? field their under 19 xi for the 3rd international?

 

[Magrat Garlick]

agree with your sentiments...i was hoping that over a period of time they will get tired of losing and being the whipping boys and bow out of international cricket or ICC having given the longest rope anyone has given anyone else will remove them....these kind of wins give them an excuse to hang on a little longer....

now what are india going to do? field their under 19 xi for the 3rd international?

Damned if you win, damned if you lose...

This wasn't India's strongest team, but it was still a good one. Let's wait a bit before we dismiss it as a freak victory - four of these players have just made their international debut within the last six months, they're building up a new team of talent. Give them a chance now they've actually started winning and being competitive...

 

[Anil]

And how exactly does India losing to a team like Bangladesh make international cricket any weaker?

i did not see this match, just read the match report on rediff, but when india's 2nd xi or whatever the heck they fielded play abysmally poor cricket and the bang team play less poorly than usual and squeeze a win through, how does that make international cricket stronger? isn't it more of two teams playing mediocre cricket and the less mediocre winning?

All I can see is positives as far as attitudes go, because the more Bangladesh wins, the more teams will play proper cricket against them instead of just breezing past without a care. In essence, the more Bangladesh wins now, the less they'll win in the long run as teams will take them more seriously. That's assuming they'll never improve to a Test quality side as so many people have already determined in their minds.

ok so bang has proved that if teams can descend to their level, they have a fair chance in the mudfight that follows, is that the positive you are talking about? with no domestic 4 day or 5 day system in the country, how will just being whipped by full-strength international teams playing "seriously" ever make them test quality?

If Bangladesh does stick around at international level, then it's not good for the "strength" of Test and ODI cricket if they keep getting whipped.

the average strength of test and idi cricket is lower because of bangladesh being part of it, not because they get whipped...

 

[badgerhair]

Its a dark day when a second XI get beaten by a side who should never have been admitted in the first place.. I know I will be completely on my own against the romantics who love to see the underdog win.. I just want international cricket to be as strong as it can be..

I think "never" is too strong a word to apply to Bangladesh's admission to top-level international cricket.

Otherwise you're effectively saying that nobody else can ever join the club.

Bangladesh may well have been admitted too early, but that doesn't mean they should never have ever been allowed to achieve top-level status.

Today's game simply shows that they have reached the stage where they ought to be taken a bit more seriously than a warm-up game in one-day cricket, which indicates that in a couple of years, if they continue to improve, they will start to win 4-5 games a year, which will be progress of a sort.

I don't see any prospect of them being competitive in Test cricket for years, because they simply don't have the experience of multi-day cricket and bowling for 125 overs.

Cheers,

Mike

 

[Swervy]

Though to be fair, India could have fielded a much stronger side with relative ease. For one, Sachin Tendulkar rested out.

of course they could have done, but India made a decision not to. I am sure they were confident that they could have won the game with or without Sachin etc..they still had plenty of recognised international standard players in there.Plenty of times Australia and probably other teams as well have fielded sides that arent full strength but with a realisation that the game still needs to be won. The Indian players of top class in there didnt do the job, Bangladesh did what they had to.

 

[Swervy]

I think "never" is too strong a word to apply to Bangladesh's admission to top-level international cricket.

Otherwise you're effectively saying that nobody else can ever join the club.

Bangladesh may well have been admitted too early, but that doesn't mean they should never have ever been allowed to achieve top-level status.

Today's game simply shows that they have reached the stage where they ought to be taken a bit more seriously than a warm-up game in one-day cricket, which indicates that in a couple of years, if they continue to improve, they will start to win 4-5 games a year, which will be progress of a sort.

I don't see any prospect of them being competitive in Test cricket for years, because they simply don't have the experience of multi-day cricket and bowling for 125 overs.

Cheers,

Mike

Good points made, however we do have to remember a team like Sri lanka didnt have that good a set up in the early 80's and it took about 15 years for them to be considered a team that could compete on a regular basis. B'desh have a long way to go,but I do think they can develop in the next 10 years to at least become more than an afterthought in international cricket

 

[Anil]

Damned if you win, damned if you lose...

This wasn't India's strongest team, but it was still a good one. Let's wait a bit before we dismiss it as a freak victory - four of these players have just made their international debut within the last six months, they're building up a new team of talent. Give them a chance now they've actually started winning and being competitive...

i am not damning anyone here, the evidence ever since they became a test team is there for anyone to see....and winning one match against an under-strength india playing crappy one day cricket is not being "winning and being competitive"....anyway since the icc is giving them an endless supply of rope, the only thing to do is to see what this "new team of talent" comes up with now...

 

[Magrat Garlick]

i am not damning anyone here, the evidence ever since they became a test team is there for anyone to see....and winning one match against an under-strength india playing crappy one day cricket is not being "winning and being competitive"....anyway since the icc is giving them an endless supply of rope, the only thing to do is to see what this "new team of talent" comes up with now...

I haven't watched the match, admittedly, but neither did you - you're just basing yourself on one match report from an Indian source (I don't know much about Rediff, but a match report written by an Indian after their team has lost to Bangladesh must be full of doom and gloom). There has been potential for a bit - one-wicket loss to Pakistan at Multan, decent knocks by Aftab and Ashraful, and now it just all came together. Hopefully they'll stick to that.

For a closing remark, a verdict from cricinfo http://www.cricinfo.com/link_to_dat...004/DEC/139991_BDESHIND2004-05_26DEC2004.html:

There was nothing about the passage of play that could be used to discredit Bangladesh's win.

 

[maxpower]

my condolences to the ppl of south asian region on the terrible tidal wave tragedy.

 

[JustTool]

whoever thinks ganguly is the best indian captain so far must be the biggest idiot in this whole world.

That would be the Indian Selectors. Let' count the ways in which Ganguly has demsonstrated that he is a spolied brat living in his own megalomaniac world:

1) He said BD never had a chance after India won by ONLY 11 runs thus inspiring undeserving overconfidence in a bunch of pampered and coddled brats.

2) He said that we HAD to play the second stringers because the Selectors had chosen them - once again showing his mastery of denying any responsibility for any defeats but claiming credit for all succeses

3) Gavaskar, God bless him, is so beholden to Ganguly because the latter selected his sorry-cricketer son for one dayers that he has made Ganguly bolder in ignoring Wright's advice. Check it out - this team has peformed very poorly since Gavaskar's association began.

4) Ganguly said the whole team was responsible for the defeat (meaning, not him, or his inability to bat, to captain or to inspire a team to give his best). In fact the new players did well (Sriram, Kartik, Agarkar and Sharma all did better than Ganguly and his proteges Yuvraj & Sehwg - he should blame them and himself - but he has no class).

Ganguly needs to be sacked so a PROPER and DESERVING middle order batsman can be inducted into the team and fair competition can prevail.

Of course BD played great circket but just recently Gavasker was saying that their first XI can, maybe, compete in India's domestic tournaments. So, the real question is how bad is this indian side ? They are a broken team - broken in spirit and teamowrk - and that's been clear by the body langauge all throughout 2004.

 

[Anil]

I haven't watched the match, admittedly, but neither did you - you're just basing yourself on one match report from an Indian source (I don't know much about Rediff, but a match report written by an Indian after their team has lost to Bangladesh must be full of doom and gloom). There has been potential for a bit - one-wicket loss to Pakistan at Multan, decent knocks by Aftab and Ashraful, and now it just all came together. Hopefully they'll stick to that.

well...we'll see....won't we? rediff reports pretty well and in a fairly objective manner...no one is trying to discredit their precious win here, at least not me....would you agree that bangladesh at their best wouldn't stand a ghost of a chance against a full-strength indian team playing as someone put it, seriously? would you also agree that the team which actually played would've beaten them if playing at full intensity? that tells me something about the "strength" and "potential" of the bangladesh team, puts into perspective "it all coming together"....

 

[lord_of_darkness]

Lmao congrats on bangladesh for their fine 15 run win..

What a shock and delight when i turned on Cricinfo..

 

[JASON]

Guys stop bickering !! Give credit to the Bangladeshi's in their very ocaasional moments of glory !! They get thrashed around all the time ! So let's not grudge them (and deny them) their moments of glory !!

I think India playing lot of second stringers has a lot to do with India's Gamesmanship and wanting to give Bangla a fair go (or better than fair go!!) !!

I say Good on Indian Team management and coaches for being so magnanimous in giving this new struggling Test playing country a chance !!



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On another note Isn't it sad the massive Tsunami has killed over 10,000 people in Southeast Asia and the subcontinent ?

My own home country Sri Lanka has suffered badly !!

It's the poor and the coastal vilages that have suffered !! What a tragedy to happen on Boxing Day !!

 

[pakster]

Dont think you guys should read too much into this defeat. Sure, Bang won - but in all honnesty, it was a fluke. Every once in a while, cricket throws up these surprises and more often than not - the better team has the last laugh.

One thing India need to work on is the balance in the team:

Dravid should be dropped from the ODI team, let Kaif take over the 'anchor' role.

Yuvraj should open and be given a permanent place in the team - I would like to see sehwag lower down the order.

Powar needs to be bought back in the team in place of agarkar, which reminds me....

Agarkar should not be allowed to play international cricket, Ganguly needs to obtain a court order to stop this clown from comming back.


I think the one thing thats working against India in ODI's is their lack of a quality all-rounder. Pakistan have 2 (razzaq and Malik), England have flintoff, SA have kallis, aus have clarke, symonds, lehman.
India really gotta give Powar a chance.

 

[Richard Rash]

I've never been happier! I can't remember being so nervous!!! What a great victory! I hope you can all shut the f**k up now about Bangladesh just being there to help numbers! They showed today that they can take it to any team in the world. So maybe it was second string but Bangladesh were better and people who say that none of them would make a domestic Ranji Trophy team can certainly think again. CONGRATULATIONS BANGLADESH!!! I'M NOT SLEEPING TONIGHT!

6 wins in 100 ODI's doesn't inspire much confidence in me that BD can take it to any team in the world. Sure they may have played well to beat India on ONE occasion but until they start beating TEST NATIONS with some regularity they are still there to help numbers

 

[Magrat Garlick]

well...we'll see....won't we? rediff reports pretty well and in a fairly objective manner...no one is trying to discredit their precious win here, at least not me....would you agree that bangladesh at their best wouldn't stand a ghost of a chance against a full-strength indian team playing as someone put it, seriously? would you also agree that the team which actually played would've beaten them if playing at full intensity? that tells me something about the "strength" and "potential" of the bangladesh team, puts into perspective "it all coming together"....

What I know: Bangladesh won the game, and was therefore better than this Indian team on the day. I don't know about the effort put in, and frankly I don't care - a win is a win.

 

[Magrat Garlick]

6 wins in 100 ODI's doesn't inspire much confidence in me that BD can take it to any team in the world. Sure they may have played well to beat India on ONE occasion but until they start beating TEST NATIONS with some regularity they are still there to help numbers

Infinitely more better than no wins against class opposition, though.

 

[marc71178]

FFS, this is appaling for international cricket.. Really bad day.. Disgrace, India..

To be fair, Bangladesh didn't do too badly in the first game either.

 

[marc71178]

whoever thinks ganguly is the best indian captain so far must be the biggest idiot in this whole world.

So did he personally select the side then, or maybe the selectors would've been involved?