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*Official* India in Australia Thread

Salamuddin

International Debutant
Rik, at the end of the day all that matters is that u win test matches -- and India proved better than England at that over the last two series.

India 2 England 1 over the last 7 tests -- including an away win by India (who are terrible away from home).

England can talk as much as they they like about the fact they created more opportunituies than India but India took theirs better.
Bottom Line: India 2 England 1
 

Salamuddin

International Debutant
Oh yes statements like Harmison has the potential to be John Snow made by the one and only Nasser Hussain.:D
 

marc71178

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jamesryfler said:
put it this way Neil "Pickup" -- I can't see India being any worse than England.
England competed for 2 out of 5 Tests (and suffered some horrendous luck with injuries)

If India can compete in even 1 match I'd be shocked.
 

Neil Pickup

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jamesryfler said:
put it this way Neil "Pickup" -- I can't see India being any worse than England.
Explain the quotes, please?

And why bring England into this? The fact that we got whipped doesn't have any bearing on the fact that India are going to?
 

luckyeddie

Cricket Web Staff Member
jamesryfler said:
put it this way Neil "Pickup" -- I can't see India being any worse than England.


At least India did not come out to Australia with grandiose statements about how good their pace attack were when the truth weas quite different --
well Australia showed the lack of quality in bowlers like Caddick, Hoggard and Harmison were.
Does it really surprise you that so many people have picked this quote up and thrown it back at you?

Your memory seems to have little in common with reality - or perhaps you are quoting from the Australian media (which has about the same amount in common with the aforementioned reality).

Must be a rugby thing, I suppose.
 

Rik

Cricketer Of The Year
jamesryfler said:
Oh yes statements like Harmison has the potential to be John Snow made by the one and only Nasser Hussain.:D
It's called "putting a brave face on a difficult situation" and also of course Harmison has the "potential", but then, anyone who bowls fast does as well. It's not a claim, it's very loose fact.
 

Rik

Cricketer Of The Year
jamesryfler said:
Rik, at the end of the day all that matters is that u win test matches -- and India proved better than England at that over the last two series.

India 2 England 1 over the last 7 tests -- including an away win by India (who are terrible away from home).

England can talk as much as they they like about the fact they created more opportunituies than India but India took theirs better.
Bottom Line: India 2 England 1
Bottom line yes they are 2-1 up but when you take into account the weakness of the squad taken to India, and the hope pitch advantage over there compared to over here where the trend is now to grow dead pitches, then your bottom line means jack. You started by saying India are at least as good as England, then you changed your tact to use the results, but if you have the results then you can't ignore the reasons behind them. I'm sure if India had brought over a team with the lack of experiance in the bowling department, that the England side had, we would be hearing "you can't take the results into account" instead...

There have been many arguements about India and England, I think the best thing is to accept that both teams are as good as each other, just to lay to waste a very boring and repetitive and often biased arguement.
 

luckyeddie

Cricket Web Staff Member
You know, I cannot locate ANYTHING where Hussain says that Harmison 'has the potential to be John Snow'. I can find many articles suggesting that the only chance England ever have in Australia is with pace - mention of Snow comes in under the Illingworth tours, as does Larwood under Jardine (god, how I love typing those names out).

Anyway, I found these in the lead-up (all on Cricinfo - no links, but the dates are accurate)

29 Sept 2002
An article appears in The Age (An Aussie rag) citing England's lack of pace as the prime reason for failure in Australia over the years. He adds that '(Harmison and Jones) sound as though they are just what Graveney is looking for'.


9 Oct 2002 -
Hussain says 'If key areas and key battles are won, there is cause for optimism'

16 Oct 2002 -
Flintoff injury adds to England's woes

17 Oct 2002 -
England travel hopefully
Ralph Dellor writes 'It is difficult to find many flaws in the Australian game from which England can hope to profit, however, the team were making all the right noises, trying to sound confident and optimistic without making outrageous claims'

18 Oct 2002 -
Healy dismisses England's hopes
'I cannot see it being any better than the last series'
Healy goes on to discuss Australia's one weakness (as he sees it) - first innings vulnerability

Nasser Hussain agreed about the difficulty of the task in hand, saying 'England's bowling will be crucial. We've got to try to rough a few people up and hopefully, in Simon Jones and Steve Harmison, we have that in our armoury'

This then gets blown out of all proportion in the Sun, Mirror et al to 'We aim to bounce the Aussies out'. I heard the press conference - and Hussain NEVER said anything of the sort.
This then gets counter-reported in the Aussie tabloids (both sides are idiots - the only decent cricket reporting on the subject is in the broadsheets and on two internet websites - Cricinfo and Cricket Web)

21 October 2002
One of the best articles I have ever read by a rival - the one on Cricinfo where they state that certain areas of the tabloid press are talking rubbish, and that only the most foolish patriot would be disappointed with a 3-1 defeat
"Then there's the pacemen, the bullish and slightly blithe assertion that England will fight fire with fire. This centres on an overweight Yorkshireman who hasn't played a Test for over a year, an injury-prone Lancastrian with a Test strike-rate nearing 100, and two wet-behind-the-ears quick bowlers with distinctly modest first-class records"
and so it goes on.
 

Neil Pickup

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Closest I can find is from the Guardian's account of the second test...

"WICKET! England 134-9 Harmison lbw Warne 0 Harmison shuffles across the stumps and plays a shot that looks like a one-armed man trying to sweep snow with a brush."
 

badgerhair

U19 Vice-Captain
Rik said:
It's called "putting a brave face on a difficult situation" and also of course Harmison has the "potential", but then, anyone who bowls fast does as well. It's not a claim, it's very loose fact.
Anyway, what's he supposed to say? "Harmison has the potential to be an inferior version of Devon Malcolm"? "Harmison is frankly rubbish and I wish he'd stayed at home with his teddy bear"?

Well, maybe in this context that's not so stupid. How about dear Gangs popping up all over the place to say "Balaji is about the worst bowler we've ever brought to Australia", "Zaheer Khan is a limp dishrag who can't bowl well for more than two sessions a day", and "Harbhajan Singh is a one-trick show-pony who got lucky two years ago"?

Cheers,

Mike
 

Neil Pickup

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"I'm really not very good at all and want to go back to my palance where servants make me feel good by bowling to my strengths all day long"

;)
 

Mr Mxyzptlk

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Neil Pickup said:
"I'm really not very good at all and want to go back to my palance where servants make me feel good by bowling to my strengths all day long"

;)
Would that be Jack by any chance?
 

Mister Wright

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Some help for the Indians?

This just goes to show how much disrespect the Aussies have for Stuart MacGill. The guy has been a great servant for the Australians in the absence of Warne and has a very enviable record. I doubt they would consider this option if Warne was available.

I think this may help the Indians....and they need all the help they can get. Yes, Bracken had a great tour of India during the TVS cup, but test matches are a different thing and he doesn't have a wonderfull domestic first class record. Williams is amazingly over-rated and 'should' get taken apart by the Indians.

Now, the Indians are supposed to be great players of spin, and if Australia play Katich as there main spinner, it can only play into their hands. Thety just have to hope they can get past Gillespie.
 
Yeah I read that article, I think it's disgraceful how much faith Trevor Hohns has in Simon Katich's bowling. He's really not that great.
 

lord_of_darkness

Cricket Web XI Moderator
yea they really should use macgill if they want to trouble the indians ... however good the indians are against spinners.. they still get troubled each time by some spinner..
 

rajat

School Boy/Girl Captain
i think england is nowhere near India. and i cant understand why are they comparing the two at this time. i dont know what they want to prove by saying that England is as good as India.

Personally i think if India is 100% then england is 60%
 
Different conditions make for different performances by both sides..
But if you really want to be blunt, in ODIs I think they're worlds apart. England couldn't make the super 6 stages in the WC, whereas India only lost to Australia (although twice, and quite easily). That was in neutral territory, and if I remember correctly, those wickets weren't as hard as they usually are in South Africa, so it wouldn't have been such a shock to both teams.
In tests, who knows? I suppose it's hard to say if they both change their performances when they go away, it's hard to compare.
 

Craig

World Traveller
IMO India should make VVS Laxman and Rahul Dravid watch tapes on how they dismantled Australia at Kolkatta and prove they can score runs and this attack is much weaker then that one.
 

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