*Official* First Test at Trent Bridge

[MrPrez]

Lol@people taking Daemon seriously

 

[Flem274*]

Daemon is the least important CWer of all time tbh.

 

[greg]

A draw is out of the question unless we bat for a really long time today

Depends on Australia's approach really, and whether the draw being out of the question is seen as a simple matter of runs vs time, or because Australia won't be capable of batting for much more than 3 sessions.

Remember until the second new ball England were really grinding in their second innings and whilst that was obviously partly due to the match situation and a response to their somewhat reckless approach in the first innings, in also obviously had a great deal to do with the pitch. If the Aussies knuckle down and forget about scoring rates then it only takes England batting into mid afternoon to give the draw a chance in the runs/wickets equation. Possibility of thunderstorms in the third session apparently as well.

Not that i for one moment think that Australia will be able to bat for 4 and a half sessions so on that basis i agree with the original proposition.

 

[social]

Depends on Australia's approach really, and whether the draw being out of the question is seen as a simple matter of runs vs time, or because Australia won't be capable of batting for much more than 3 sessions.

Remember until the second new ball England were really grinding in their second innings and whilst that was obviously partly due to the match situation and a response to their somewhat reckless approach in the first innings, in also obviously had a great deal to do with the pitch. If the Aussies knuckle down and forget about scoring rates then it only takes England batting into mid afternoon to give the draw a chance in the runs/wickets equation. Possibility of thunderstorms in the third session apparently as well.

Not that i for one moment think that Australia will be able to bat for 4 and a half sessions so on that basis i agree with the original proposition.

IMO, there will be a result unless weather intervenes

 

[Maximas]

Batting for a draw would be a disaster for Australia, our best batsmen in the first innings took on the bowlers (all three half centurions, not just Agar), Only Rogers and Cowan can really grind effectively, but left handers will be picked off by Swann sooner rather than later so to bat well enough Australia really need to take on the bowling and but pressure back on England. If we let Anderson and Swann bowl to us and not attack them we will be murdered

 

[Tangles]

If Patto fires 4 in the first over to end the innings i still wouldn't be putting cash down for us to win. Would be brilliant if web did though.

 

[Daemon]

That doesn't make him any less of a CWebber to you, he's correct as well.

Sorry bud, didn't realise you are more important than me because of higher post count........carry on discussing this in 2 current threads. I'll just stfu until I've racked up a few more. My bad.

Daemon is the least important CWer of all time tbh.

I'm an integral part of the We're here to prove not all Indian posters are terrible Squad

 

[Spark]

Will be interested to see how Finn goes, the conditions will make him almost totally ineffective (you'd think) so there's a risk he could turn into a release valve.

 

[social]

One thing that has been particularly annoying is the praise heaped on Bell

Good on him for being not out but he has repeatedly played & missed, used both edges of the bat with monotonous regularity and his shot selection has been the same as always

Yesterday was his day - nothing more or less from the ferret faced ****

 

[Maximas]

Daemon proving me wrong, me and Adders are nothing compared to him...

 

[GIMH]

I'm an integral part of the We're here to prove not all Indian posters are terrible Squad

Well you're better than Jono that's for sure

 

[Daemon]

Daemon proving me wrong, me and Adders are nothing compared to him...

That's better, know your place if you want to stick around and make powerful friends.

 

[greg]

Batting for a draw would be a disaster for Australia, our best batsmen in the first innings took on the bowlers (all three half centurions, not just Agar), Only Rogers and Cowan can really grind effectively, but left handers will be picked off by Swann sooner rather than later so to bat well enough Australia really need to take on the bowling and but pressure back on England. If we let Anderson and Swann bowl to us and not attack them we will be murdered

It's not really a case of batting for a draw, more batting within the limitations of the pitch. Frankly i don't think a pitch where Kevin Pietersen scores 64 in 150 balls is really one to be blazing away on with any success. It's a far different pitch to the first innings.

Anyway my scenario is not one where Aussies block their way to a draw 2 wickets down. More a sort of 80-4 scenario which leads to a long rearguard by the lower order and tail. Not that i think it will happen, and as you say they may not be capable anyway.

 

[greg]

Will be interested to see how Finn goes, the conditions will make him almost totally ineffective (you'd think) so there's a risk he could turn into a release valve.

Maybe, depends if someone can drill it into him to bowl wicket to wicket (without knocking the bails off) on a good length and let the low bounce in the pitch do the rest. Days 4 and 5 at Trent Bridge are normally LBW city.

 

[Spikey]

Pitch is deteriorating too much for the Poms to last to tea, it's a long way for Broad in particular to last

Is it?

 

[Burgey]

Australia is a bit too hectic a line up for a draw, barring weather. They'll score a lot faster than England if they're going to get close.

 

[Adders]

One thing that has been particularly annoying is the praise heaped on Bell

Good on him for being not out but he has repeatedly played & missed, used both edges of the bat with monotonous regularity and his shot selection has been the same as always

Yesterday was his day - nothing more or less from the ferret faced ****

Oh dear mate, sour much??? Shame we couldn't see you as you posted that...........I'll bet you looked just like a bulldog chewing a wasp.

 

[Maximas]

It's not really a case of batting for a draw, more batting within the limitations of the pitch. Frankly i don't think a pitch where Kevin Pietersen scores 64 in 150 balls is really one to be blazing away on with any success. It's a far different pitch to the first innings.

Anyway my scenario is not one where Aussies block their way to a draw 2 wickets down. More a sort of 80-4 scenario which leads to a long rearguard by the lower order and tail. Not that i think it will happen, and as you say they may not be capable anyway.

Having watched England block half-volleys and bat very cautiously for long periods quite safely, you'd thing this sort of batting wouldn't be that difficult, but I simply don't think the Aussie batsmen are good enough to do it against the England bowlers. People like Watson, Hughes, Smith and even Clarke at times need to be scoring runs at a decent pace to bat for a long time (which will be needed either to win or draw). I reckon the bowlers always crack under pressure if you start scoring off them, and the more pressure you put bowlers under the less likely they are to bowl good balls and get you out, hence why I think they should attack, we just can't bat the way England did effectively IMO.

 

[MrPrez]

Clarke and Rogers will both pass fifty. You heard it here first.

 

[Maximas]

One thing that has been particularly annoying is the praise heaped on Bell

Good on him for being not out but he has repeatedly played & missed, used both edges of the bat with monotonous regularity and his shot selection has been the same as always

Yesterday was his day - nothing more or less from the ferret faced ****

a bit harsh on the guy who will probably end up with the highest score for the match, looked very disciplined and measured I thought, not many batsmen have been truly solid on this pitch as well.