*Official* English Football Season 2014-15

[Cevno]

Seems to be the conventional wisdom but its almost as if they don't care where their cast-offs go

Left it too late really to tell Welbeck, Cleverley,Cheech and others whatever Van Gaal told them.

Became tough to offload them now meeting both clubs and their criterias. Wouldn't have sold Welbeck personally to anyone right now, but given the situation that became after signing Falcao and others keeping him meant less game time for Januzaj and Wilson. And he has just 2 years left in his deal plus his agents have been causing commotion in the media since last season on how he wants to be a starter as a striker only which he wouldn't have gotten a chance too play as first choice maybe even without Falcao.

 

[NUFAN]

Yeah, what happened to not letting him go to a top four side as well? Was that just twitter talk?

In fairness Welbeck didn't go to any of Chelsea, Man City, Swansea or Villa.

 

[social]

In some ways. I almost respect their approach as it is if they are allowing guys to make the best of their careers rather than playing a political game

Whether that is a result of the naivety of Woodward/Glazer heirs and/or LVG's arrogance, I have no idea but it makes for interesting times

 

[Ikki]

16 mill plus 115 k per week for Welbeck vs 6 mill plus 350 per week for Falcao (basically 1:1)

IF FALCAO IS FIT, ManU are massive winners on this deal

Not really a good comparison. Welbeck is Arsenal's; Falcao is still Monaco's. Kind of like buying a good car outright and paying the same price to lease a great car for a year.

 

[Tom Halsey]

I mean, he doesn't solve our problems and we're still very unlikely to finish fourth. But it's surely not a mistake to sign someone that good.

I agree that Falcao is a good bit of business but I don't agree with this logic. Really good players don't work out due to not fitting in quite often. See quite a few of our signings in the last five years.

 

[Uppercut]

I agree that Falcao is a good bit of business but I don't agree with this logic. Really good players don't work out due to not fitting in quite often. See quite a few of our signings in the last five years.

Yeah this is definitely true. Can take Real Madrid's entire modern history as evidence.

 

[dontcloseyoureyes]

Nobody here has attempted to claim that Welbeck >>> Falcao.

Not sure that's true.

 

[Cabinet96]

Yeah apparently a touted £55m fee and £340k a week wages weren't relevant in us not wanting Falcao. We just think Welbeck and Sanogo are much better.

 

[sledger]

Not sure that's true.

I've only fleetingly read the thread tbh, but I was under the impression that the only thing that's being debated is which deal represents better value for money. I don't recall anyone trying to argue that Welbeck was the better footballer.

 

[Ikki]

Yeah apparently a touted £55m fee and £340k a week wages weren't relevant in us not wanting Falcao. We just think Welbeck and Sanogo are much better.

That's why I wouldn't be so sure of this signing. Arsenal, Liverpool and Real Madrid all passed up on the above option. It looks a last ditch desperate attempt to appease fans as if United wanted him then the matter could have been settled a few weeks ago.

 

[Uppercut]

Yeah he's definitely not better, but he is younger, cheaper, has lower wages, probably suits the team better, is English, and isn't just back from a long-term knee injury.

 

[Uppercut]

That's why I wouldn't be so sure of this signing. Arsenal, Liverpool and Real Madrid all passed up on the above option. It looks a last ditch desperate attempt to appease fans as if United wanted him then the matter could have been settled a few weeks ago.

No, we would have paid far more than £6m a few weeks ago. We essentially picked him up in a fire sale.

 

[GIMH]

He just means goal-poachers aren't very useful at the very top level. Which is broadly true, none of the best teams use one.

Always had sympathy for that argument since we immediately improved a ton after selling Van Nistelrooy.

So out and out striker rather than out and out goalscorer

Not really a good comparison. Welbeck is Arsenal's; Falcao is still Monaco's. Kind of like buying a good car outright and paying the same price to lease a great car for a year.

Not really according to everything I've heard. It's just a FFP workaround

 

[cpr]

In some ways. I almost respect their approach as it is if they are allowing guys to make the best of their careers rather than playing a political game

Whether that is a result of the naivety of Woodward/Glazer heirs and/or LVG's arrogance, I have no idea but it makes for interesting times

Under the Fergie era we did what we could to help the young players get a decent team - letting Gibson go for £500k was so a decent team took a punt on him - I know he's no world beater but he was worth far far more. Likewise Shawcross was a steal for Stoke.
We've done the same this time round with the Keane twins - allowed them to go for reasonable to Premiership teams - neither of them were going to be first teamers at Utd (shame for Will especially, injury hampered him), but will develop into good Premiership players.

Slighty different with Welbeck as he's being treated as a big name rather than a good youngster, but in general we've never taken the 'I wont strengthen a rival' approach. Its a arrogance to think that if they are not good enough for us, then they are not going to make another team better than us, but that was the Utd way. There's always been an amount of consideration for the player as a person when it comes to allowing transfers.

 

[cpr]

Anyway, lets move on to the important stuff.

WE'VE NOT GOT TOM CLEVERLEY, NA NA NA NAH......

FA have taken pity on us and forced Villa to take him on a season long loan 17 hours after the Transfer Window shut.

 

[Cevno]

Yeah apparently a touted £55m fee and £340k a week wages weren't relevant in us not wanting Falcao. We just think Welbeck and Sanogo are much better.

Arsenal really should have gotten him on a 6/7 million loan fee. Wages was the issue i imagine as it would still be 180/200k + probably.

£190k to £346k: The British press are VERY confused on Radamel Falcao?s wages at Man United - 101 Great Goals

Would have taken the Arsenal team possibly on the next level though. (Still short at the back and in DM)

That's why I wouldn't be so sure of this signing. Arsenal, Liverpool and Real Madrid all passed up on the above option. It looks a last ditch desperate attempt to appease fans as if United wanted him then the matter could have been settled a few weeks ago.

He was waiting on Real pretty much. Dunno why they passed and went for a loan of Hernandez and a new contract for Benzema instead. Liverpool won't pay 200k type of wages right now and Wenger probably didn't like the idea either.

City were trying but couldn't generate enough room under FFP quickly enough. By the time they probably did it was too late.

It's definitely a unplanned sort of strange signing from United but for a 1 year loan less of a risk. Could say pretty similar to Tevez.

 

[sledger]

Haha, I was wondering when Cleverley would come up. Rose to appear and say he's not dire any second now.

 

[Cevno]

Anyway, lets move on to the important stuff.

WE'VE NOT GOT TOM CLEVERLEY, NA NA NA NAH......

FA have taken pity on us and forced Villa to take him on a season long loan 17 hours after the Transfer Window shut.

Hope he recovers his form tbh. Never was great but these last 1 and half years he has been real bad.

Anderson somehow still survived this window again ffs. For players who have been at the club for so long wonder if there's any in history who have actually done less.

 

[cpr]

Last we heard of Anderson they were looking to ship him to Burnley.

For all the **** I give Anderson, there is something about him that makes me not write him off 100% yet. When he's fit (and TBF to him, he's not had the best luck on that front), he can pass forwards, run with it, harrass the opposition..... He's actually got the basics required of a good midfielder.

**** is the best description of his shooting (always hits the fans.....), though he did score 2 past Neuer that time....

 

[Ikki]

No, we would have paid far more than £6m a few weeks ago. We essentially picked him up in a fire sale.

When Liverpool were connected with him then the loan fee was just 10m, the same stipulations with the wages. I don't think United were holding out because of 4m if that was the case.

Not really according to everything I've heard. It's just a FFP workaround

Even on the assumption that this is the case (remember FFP doesn't apply if you're not playing in European competitions), then the equation is closer to £55m (reported transfer fee) plus wages; which makes the Welbeck comparison even sillier.

Arsenal really should have gotten him on a 6/7 million loan fee. Wages was the issue i imagine as it would still be 180/200k + probably.

£190k to £346k: The British press are VERY confused on Radamel Falcao?s wages at Man United - 101 Great Goals

Would have taken the Arsenal team possibly on the next level though. (Still short at the back and in DM)

He was waiting on Real pretty much. Dunno why they passed and went for a loan of Hernandez and a new contract for Benzema instead. Liverpool won't pay 200k type of wages right now and Wenger probably didn't like the idea either.

City were trying but couldn't generate enough room under FFP quickly enough. By the time they probably did it was too late.

It's definitely a unplanned sort of strange signing from United but for a 1 year loan less of a risk. Could say pretty similar to Tevez.

I don't think he's on £200k wages - we could definitely afford that. When we were interested in him, it was basically the same deal that seems to be circulated now: he wanted the same post-tax income he had at Monaco. I'm not sure if the currency exchange is accurate, but it's touted as £346k pre tax for United.

Probably the biggest reason was his wish to go to Real, and Liverpool not willing to wait. Then the Balotelli interest emerged and it basically happened overnight.