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vic_orthdox

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Yeah, agree with duffer.

And guys, can we bring a halt to the piss-taking out of Ikki about stats, really making the thread a much worse read.
 

Burgey

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Yeah I know, but when we've got Eboue in our team I can't exactly get on my high horse. There have been plenty of instances of Aussie cheating too so I'm not going to go on about "cheating greaseballs" or some of the garbage I hear spewed all the time.
Was just using that case as an example though, not saying all Italians do it.

Couldn't remember his name tbh.

It's the act of diving that ****s me, not who does it.
 
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All players would have gone down (deliberately) under Neill's challenge. Grosso just did it so theatrically it crossed the line from "clever play" to "dirty cheating".
 

duffer

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Was just using that case as an example though, not saying all Italians do it.

Couldn't remember his name tbh.

It's the act of diving that ****s me, not who does it.
Wasn't referring to you man. I've just some really dire stuff regarding it though tbh.
 

sledger

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No, he's absolutely right. How many games of his ban did Eduardo serve?

I'm sure Liverpool's lawyers can find a camera angle where it looks like Ngog might have been touched anyway.
Well, UEFA were satisfied that Arsenal had shown "conclusive evidence" which confirmed that Eduardo was touched. Of course if the same were to happen here I would withdraw my comments. But this looks a lot more clear cut, imho.
 

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Well, UEFA were satisfied that Arsenal had shown "conclusive evidence" which confirmed that Eduardo was touched. Of course if the same were to happen here I would withdraw my comments. But this looks a lot more clear cut, imho.
Eduardo's looked pretty blatant too. Every Arsenal on the forum called it as an undeniable dive. I wonder why no one but UEFA has seen that angle.

Anyway, the whole escapade showed the problem with starting to take action against cheats. As soon as you penalise one player, supporters of his team go up in arms because you haven't done it before. Gotta start somewhere I reckon. The straight-red idea has too much potential to go horribly wrong, so I'd say the way to go is a two match retrospective ban regardless of whether the ref falls for it.
 

sledger

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Indeed, Eduardo's did look blatant, but at least in that incident it appears that there "may" have been contact between him and Boruc, in this there is clear daylight between N'Gog and Carsley, but you're right, the punishments have to start somewhere.
 

Ikki

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Well, UEFA were satisfied that Arsenal had shown "conclusive evidence" which confirmed that Eduardo was touched. Of course if the same were to happen here I would withdraw my comments. But this looks a lot more clear cut, imho.
I think it was actually for a lack of evidence to show deception, not that necessarily there was contact - which there wasn't. Both Ngog and Eduardo had pretty disgraceful dives. And look, had they kept Eduardo's punishment I'd fully endorse Ngog getting it too. However, since they didn't, I see no equity in giving Ngog a suspension.

Anyway, that was UEFA, this is the English FA.
 

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I do think Ngog's was worse. Eduardo could claim that he fell expecting contact, Ngog couldn't.
 

Scaly piscine

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Well with Ngog you could say it was *actually* a foul - if he just keeps going as normal his trailing leg (nearest to camera, his right leg) would collide with the tackler sliding underneath him.
 

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Well with Ngog you could say it was *actually* a foul - if he just keeps going as normal his trailing leg (nearest to camera, his right leg) would collide with the tackler sliding underneath him.
Now that I look at it again, you're right.

I suppose it's like the Grosso incident- it's the theatrical nature of the dive that makes it seem so disgraceful rather than the fact that he dived.
 

BoyBrumby

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Well, UEFA were satisfied that Arsenal had shown "conclusive evidence" which confirmed that Eduardo was touched. Of course if the same were to happen here I would withdraw my comments. But this looks a lot more clear cut, imho.
There seems to be some idea amongst governing bodies that a player can't possibly have dived if there's any contact with the defender, however minimal. Which is fetid horse smegma, obviously.
 

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