marc71178
Eyes not spreadsheets
He's already got one!grecian said:Does anyone else think this would of been the perfect game to give Walcott his first cap.
He's already got one!grecian said:Does anyone else think this would of been the perfect game to give Walcott his first cap.
What, play appallingly but get a big win because the opposition were woeful again?Matteh said:England did what they had to do without a problem.
Yes, because 10 goals in 13 internationals is clearly dreadful isn't it?TT Boy said:"Peter Crouch is phenomenal. He has an unbelievable record"- Steve McClaren.
Why would you even need to be on top of your game against Andorra. England scored 5, Andorra had a total of 0 shots. What's there to criticise?marc71178 said:What, play appallingly but get a big win because the opposition were woeful again?
Take out that hattrick and today's goals and you get 11/5. Not nearly as impressive.Craig said:I think TT is disagreeing with because of the standard of opposition Crouch has scored against (hat-trick against Jamaica for example) and has mainly been relying on tap-ins and headers.
The same critism you used to give about a certain former MU striker now of Real Madrid.
We couldn't let common sense get in the way of a good bit of cynicism & criticism now could we?BoyBrumby said:Have to defend England & McClaren slightly here, it was a better performance than we've turned out against any minnows for some time in actual qualifying tournaments. IIRC we only overcame the mighty Lichtenstein 2-0 home & away under Sven.
Andorra were poor, but we made them look poor.
The team could actually look like it was playing together.Matteh said:Why would you even need to be on top of your game against Andorra. England scored 5, Andorra had a total of 0 shots. What's there to criticise?
marc71178 said:Yes, because 10 goals in 13 internationals is clearly dreadful isn't it?
PY said:We couldn't let common sense get in the way of a good bit of cynicism & criticism now could we?
Like he did in the World Cup...TT Boy said:
It's like Duncan Fletcher coming out after Ian Bell tons up against Bangladesh and says his average of 140 odd is phenomenal and Ian Bell is sensational. Quiet clearly both men are not.
It's a ridiculous remark to make, with not an inch of irony in sight and rather condescending to likes of Michael Owen, who actually scored goals for England in important games against good opposition.
In Owen's defence he was still carrying the effects of an injury. I'm not the biggest Owen fan, other than Rooney none of the England forwards are much cop TBH but Michael has scored some important goals for England over the years.BoyBrumby said:Like he did in the World Cup...
I'm not for one minute suggesting that Crouch is a better player, but 10 in 13 is a decent effort regardless of the quality of the oppo. I CBA to look it up, but I bet Owen's scored his fair share against "lesser" nations.
No Andorra are just very very poor, they have a population of about 70,000 what would you expect. As i have said sides like Andorra and San Marino are never going to cause an upest and therfore should not be in this competition, sport has to envolve competition or even the chance of competition. The likes of Maccedonia are giants in comparison. England fine from the second half that i saw, nothing to critisize but nothing to applaud. That isnt England or Steve Mclarens fault he can only be judged when we come up against an even half competant opposition.BoyBrumby said:Have to defend England & McClaren slightly here, it was a better performance than we've turned out against any minnows for some time in actual qualifying tournaments. IIRC we only overcame the mighty Lichtenstein 2-0 home & away under Sven.
Andorra were poor, but we made them look poor.
He has, no doubt but not many recently, really. IIRC the hat-trick v Jerry was 2001, he only scored one goal in the 2002 WC finals and none at all in Euro 2004.TT Boy said:In Owen's defence he was still carrying the effects of an injury. I'm not the biggest Owen fan, other than Rooney none of the England forwards are much cop TBH but Michael has scored some important goals for England over the years.
Again, you can only beat what's put in front of you. I watched it in the pub with several beers so my recollection may not be crystal-clear, but I don't think Andorra had a shot on goal.Pothas said:No Andorra are just very very poor, they have a population of about 70,000 what would you expect. As i have said sides like Andorra and San Marino are never going to cause an upest and therfore should not be in this competition, sport has to envolve competition or even the chance of competition. The likes of Maccedonia are giants in comparison. England fine from the second half that i saw, nothing to critisize but nothing to applaud. That isnt England or Steve Mclarens fault he can only be judged when we come up against an even half competant opposition.
Well fair enough then. But my point still stands; two goals in three tournaments (both in losing causes) isn't that flash for our main striker.TT Boy said:He did, opening few minutes.