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*Official* English Football Season 2006-07

Craig

World Traveller
I think TT is disagreeing with because of the standard of opposition Crouch has scored against (hat-trick against Jamaica for example) and has mainly been relying on tap-ins and headers.

The same critism you used to give about a certain former MU striker now of Real Madrid.
 

Matteh

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
marc71178 said:
What, play appallingly but get a big win because the opposition were woeful again?
Why would you even need to be on top of your game against Andorra. England scored 5, Andorra had a total of 0 shots. What's there to criticise?
 

Matteh

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Craig said:
I think TT is disagreeing with because of the standard of opposition Crouch has scored against (hat-trick against Jamaica for example) and has mainly been relying on tap-ins and headers.

The same critism you used to give about a certain former MU striker now of Real Madrid.
Take out that hattrick and today's goals and you get 11/5. Not nearly as impressive.
You can't really criticise him for only scoring headers though, given the size of the guy it's expected to be his strong area.
 

BoyBrumby

Englishman
Have to defend England & McClaren slightly here, it was a better performance than we've turned out against any minnows for some time in actual qualifying tournaments. IIRC we only overcame the mighty Lichtenstein 2-0 home & away under Sven.

Andorra were poor, but we made them look poor.
 

PY

International Coach
BoyBrumby said:
Have to defend England & McClaren slightly here, it was a better performance than we've turned out against any minnows for some time in actual qualifying tournaments. IIRC we only overcame the mighty Lichtenstein 2-0 home & away under Sven.

Andorra were poor, but we made them look poor.
We couldn't let common sense get in the way of a good bit of cynicism & criticism now could we? :p
 

marc71178

Eyes not spreadsheets
Matteh said:
Why would you even need to be on top of your game against Andorra. England scored 5, Andorra had a total of 0 shots. What's there to criticise?
The team could actually look like it was playing together.

It was a good job Gerrard was playing IMO.

With a bit of luck Richardson will now be dropped as he was dreadful when he came on.
 

TT Boy

Hall of Fame Member
marc71178 said:
Yes, because 10 goals in 13 internationals is clearly dreadful isn't it?
8-)
It's like Duncan Fletcher coming out after Ian Bell tons up against Bangladesh and says his average of 140 odd is phenomenal and Ian Bell is sensational. Quite clearly both men are not.

It's a ridiculous remark to make, with not an inch of irony in sight and rather condescending to likes of Michael Owen, who actually scored goals for England in important games against good opposition.
 
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superkingdave

Hall of Fame Member
looks like you've set your stall out Marc.

use of the wide men were key for me, width is the way against poor teams. . Not much else to take out of the game apart from that.

On the debit side you have Richardson and Phil(tried to take up the Beckham long ball from deep role), and Defoe scoring twice against ***** opposition
 

BoyBrumby

Englishman
TT Boy said:
8-)
It's like Duncan Fletcher coming out after Ian Bell tons up against Bangladesh and says his average of 140 odd is phenomenal and Ian Bell is sensational. Quiet clearly both men are not.

It's a ridiculous remark to make, with not an inch of irony in sight and rather condescending to likes of Michael Owen, who actually scored goals for England in important games against good opposition.
Like he did in the World Cup...

I'm not for one minute suggesting that Crouch is a better player, but 10 in 13 is a decent effort regardless of the quality of the oppo. I CBA to look it up, but I bet Owen's scored his fair share against "lesser" nations.
 

TT Boy

Hall of Fame Member
BoyBrumby said:
Like he did in the World Cup...

I'm not for one minute suggesting that Crouch is a better player, but 10 in 13 is a decent effort regardless of the quality of the oppo. I CBA to look it up, but I bet Owen's scored his fair share against "lesser" nations.
In Owen's defence he was still carrying the effects of an injury. I'm not the biggest Owen fan, other than Rooney none of the England forwards are much cop TBH but Michael has scored some important goals for England over the years.
 

Pothas

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
BoyBrumby said:
Have to defend England & McClaren slightly here, it was a better performance than we've turned out against any minnows for some time in actual qualifying tournaments. IIRC we only overcame the mighty Lichtenstein 2-0 home & away under Sven.

Andorra were poor, but we made them look poor.
No Andorra are just very very poor, they have a population of about 70,000 what would you expect. As i have said sides like Andorra and San Marino are never going to cause an upest and therfore should not be in this competition, sport has to envolve competition or even the chance of competition. The likes of Maccedonia are giants in comparison. England fine from the second half that i saw, nothing to critisize but nothing to applaud. That isnt England or Steve Mclarens fault he can only be judged when we come up against an even half competant opposition.
 

BoyBrumby

Englishman
TT Boy said:
In Owen's defence he was still carrying the effects of an injury. I'm not the biggest Owen fan, other than Rooney none of the England forwards are much cop TBH but Michael has scored some important goals for England over the years.
He has, no doubt but not many recently, really. IIRC the hat-trick v Jerry was 2001, he only scored one goal in the 2002 WC finals and none at all in Euro 2004.
 

BoyBrumby

Englishman
Pothas said:
No Andorra are just very very poor, they have a population of about 70,000 what would you expect. As i have said sides like Andorra and San Marino are never going to cause an upest and therfore should not be in this competition, sport has to envolve competition or even the chance of competition. The likes of Maccedonia are giants in comparison. England fine from the second half that i saw, nothing to critisize but nothing to applaud. That isnt England or Steve Mclarens fault he can only be judged when we come up against an even half competant opposition.
Again, you can only beat what's put in front of you. I watched it in the pub with several beers so my recollection may not be crystal-clear, but I don't think Andorra had a shot on goal.

I'm not suggesting we're suddenly the best team in the world, but we were competant. Hargreaves gives us a solid look that I like & we have several key players to come back too.

As for the issue of Andorra & co being in the tournament, I'm inclined to agree. As there are seven qualifying groups the most sensible suggestion I've heard is to have the 14 lowest ranking countries play-off home and away with the 7 victors advancing the the qualifying groups proper.
 
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