*Official* English Football Season 2005-06

[Scaly piscine]

The 3 they conceded in the Final were the midfield's fault for giving Kaka too much space, Carragher could do nothing about that. They kept clean sheets against Chelsea (twice) and Juventus (in Turin) with others in the group stages too, and if you'd watched any of the games you'd know that Carragher was nothing short of outstanding in all of them, against a plethora of world-class players.

Ah right, so if they concede it's the midfield's fault, but when they don't concede it's because of one defender... right.

 

[steds]

Who do you support, Scaly fish?

 

[Barney Rubble]

Ah right, so if they concede it's the midfield's fault, but when they don't concede it's because of one defender... right.

Errrmm, no. The goals they conceded in the CL final were the midfield's fault because of they way they were scored - in each instance it was a midfielder making a mistake in either letting his man go, or failing to close down Kaka, Shevchenko or Seedorf.

When they didn't concede it was because they defended fantastically as a unit, but Carragher was head and shoulders above everyone else in that defence. You only had to watch the games to know that whilst Liverpool's defence clearly were very well-marshalled by Hyypia and were positionally excellent, Carragher was always the one making the most important last-ditch blocks, pinpoint tackles in the area and towering clearing headers - there's a difference between a good defence and having good defenders. Carragher was the best of Liverpool's defensive unit - an outstanding unit in itself, which on one occasion, in the first half of the CL final, was let down by the midfield being unsure of their duties. In the second half of the final, the defence were once again outstanding - but then again, you probably didn't watch that.

 

[marc71178]

2. Ruled out of the world cup entirely?

Can you see him staying fit for 9 months?

3. Same question has 2?

I don't think he'll do enough to make the final cut to be honest.

 

[marc71178]

Yes I'm sure he's equally useless in all of those positions.

Useless at centre half?

Rubbish.

 

[marc71178]

Ah right, so if they concede it's the midfield's fault, but when they don't concede it's because of one defender... right.

Where did he say that?

 

[Scaly piscine]

Errrmm, no. The goals they conceded in the CL final were the midfield's fault because of they way they were scored - in each instance it was a midfielder making a mistake in either letting his man go, or failing to close down Kaka, Shevchenko or Seedorf.

When they didn't concede it was because they defended fantastically as a unit, but Carragher was head and shoulders above everyone else in that defence. You only had to watch the games to know that whilst Liverpool's defence clearly were very well-marshalled by Hyypia and were positionally excellent, Carragher was always the one making the most important last-ditch blocks, pinpoint tackles in the area and towering clearing headers - there's a difference between a good defence and having good defenders. Carragher was the best of Liverpool's defensive unit - an outstanding unit in itself, which on one occasion, in the first half of the CL final, was let down by the midfield being unsure of their duties. In the second half of the final, the defence were once again outstanding - but then again, you probably didn't watch that.

If Carragher is as godlike as you think why didn't he get in a 'last-ditch block' or 'pinpoint tackle' in the three goals? You can't have it both ways. Liverpool's defense against Chelsea was based on the whole team being behind the ball for the best part of 90 minutes - as it was once Liverpool got to 3-3, they just stopped playing completely.

 

[Jamee999]

If Carragher is as godlike as you think why didn't he get in a 'last-ditch block' or 'pinpoint tackle' in the three goals? You can't have it both ways. Liverpool's defense against Chelsea was based on the whole team being behind the ball for the best part of 90 minutes - as it was once Liverpool got to 3-3, they just stopped playing completely.

Where has he called Carragher "godlike"?

 

[steds]

I hate Jamie Carragher for what it's worth

 

[Scaly piscine]

Where has he called Carragher "godlike"?

It's an exaggeration based on the general impression you get from his eulogising of Carragher - not a direct quote. Now if you'd like to leave the pointless pedantry to a certain post count boosting jaundice victim we can all get on with doing something useful.

 

[Barney Rubble]

If Carragher is as godlike as you think why didn't he get in a 'last-ditch block' or 'pinpoint tackle' in the three goals? You can't have it both ways. Liverpool's defense against Chelsea was based on the whole team being behind the ball for the best part of 90 minutes - as it was once Liverpool got to 3-3, they just stopped playing completely.

Now you're clutching at straws. You're criticising him for having failed to prevent goals which may have been nothing to do with him? If Steve Finnan decides to leave a big gap between himself and Sami Hyypia, or if John Arne Riise fails to mark Paolo Maldini at a corner, is that Carragher's fault? No, because Carragher was somewhere else, doing exactly what he should, i.e. mark a man and stick to him. You can't blame him because the rest of the defence make mistakes - he can only be in one place at one time.

 

[Jamee999]

It's an exaggeration based on the general impression you get from his eulogising of Carragher - not a direct quote. Now if you'd like to leave the pointless pedantry to a certain post count boosting jaundice victim we can all get on with doing something useful.

Of course, you woudn't dream in having an argument such as:

I think he's good
I think he's crap
I think he's good
I think he's crap
Prove it
You prove it
I think he's good
I think he's crap
I think he's good
I think he's crap

And so on.

 

[Scaly piscine]

Now you're clutching at straws. You're criticising him for having failed to prevent goals which may have been nothing to do with him? If Steve Finnan decides to leave a big gap between himself and Sami Hyypia, or if John Arne Riise fails to mark Paolo Maldini at a corner, is that Carragher's fault? No, because Carragher was somewhere else, doing exactly what he should, i.e. mark a man and stick to him. You can't blame him because the rest of the defence make mistakes - he can only be in one place at one time.

The point is you can't just absolve Carragher of any responsibility whatsoever for when Liverpool concede a goal and then praise him for when Liverpool don't concede a goal. Also the fact that Carragher is so useless on the ball has a knock-on effect for the other players around him.

 

[Barney Rubble]

The point is you can't just absolve Carragher of any responsibility whatsoever for when Liverpool concede a goal and then praise him for when Liverpool don't concede a goal. Also the fact that Carragher is so useless on the ball has a knock-on effect for the other players around him.

I didn't absolve him of any responsibility for when Liverpool concede a goal - I absolved him of any responsibility for the goals Liverpool conceded in the Champions League final, which was what you were using to argue that he isn't any good.

And he's useful enough on the ball to have played central midfield for Liverpool regularly at the beginning of his Premiership career - he's certainly better on the ball than Campbell, probably better than King, and the two or three times he dribbled past more than one player against NI show he's not afraid to take some time on the ball occasionally.

 

[Scaly piscine]

I didn't absolve him of any responsibility for when Liverpool concede a goal - I absolved him of any responsibility for the goals Liverpool conceded in the Champions League final, which was what you were using to argue that he isn't any good.

And he's useful enough on the ball to have played central midfield for Liverpool regularly at the beginning of his Premiership career - he's certainly better on the ball than Campbell, probably better than King, and the two or three times he dribbled past more than one player against NI show he's not afraid to take some time on the ball occasionally.

No, I was using the fact that he was awful for England and hasn't ever looked international class for England to argue he isn't any good. I'm not particularly. He either passes the ball backwards, sideways or gives it away.

 

[Barney Rubble]

No, I was using the fact that he was awful for England and hasn't ever looked international class for England to argue he isn't any good. I'm not particularly. He either passes the ball backwards, sideways or gives it away.

When has he been given a consistent run of games in his best position (centre back) for England? Never. You're digging yourself into hole after hole here mate, you now appear to be saying that a centre-back shouldn't be picked for England because he can't pass.

 

[sledger]

kinda like when he said when carragher was a poor player because he didnt score enough goals ah piscine you are full of gems.

 

[Craig]

Yes I'm sure he's equally useless in all of those positions. He's not international class, but then Alan Smith isn't even Premiership class and the vegetable likes him.

So has he ever done anything right?

5-1 v Germany did you still whinge?

 

[Neil Pickup]

So has he ever done anything right?

5-1 v Germany did you still whinge?

Given that he's still whinging about the cricket team, probably.

 

[Scaly piscine]

kinda like when he said when carragher was a poor player because he didnt score enough goals ah piscine you are full of gems.

No I didn't say that or anything like it.