*Official* English Football Season 2005-06

[marc71178]

I'd still take Becks as our wide right man; with Lampard at the head, Gerrard on the left & either King or Butt at the tail of a diamond.

So what has Joe Cole done wrong then?

 

[BoyBrumby]

So what has Joe Cole done wrong then?

Nothing, but would you play him ahead of the any of the holy trio?

 

[marc71178]

I'd play him in the midfield of him, Gerrard, Lampard and Beckham.

 

[BoyBrumby]

I'd play him in the midfield of him, Gerrard, Lampard and Beckham.

You not a fan of midfielders who can tackle then? We need at least one & that means Cole as an impact player from the bench.

 

[Pothas]

You not a fan of midfielders who can tackle then? We need at least one & that means Cole as an impact player from the bench.

But cole is very effective on the left hand side, Gerrad isnt. therfore drop Gerrard if you want a holding midfealder

 

[BoyBrumby]

But cole is very effective on the left hand side, Gerrad isnt. therfore drop Gerrard if you want a holding midfealder

That's why I suggested a diamond. Cole's role is more of a free role than traditional left-winger anyway. He doesn't really deliver any telling crosses from there, does he?

 

[aussie]

would have been nice to have been at NTBP today after watching the game on TV, but anyway good lively performance by England today, very nice...

 

[aussie]

Ledley King was pretty solid & i dunno i think he could play that holding mid-field role pretty well, with Beck at the right, Gerrard on the left & Lampard up front. Some may say what has Joe Cole done wrong?, nothing he has been very eeffective on the left in most of the qualifiers but we all know Sven wont drop the BIG 3.

But after seeing King work tonight i think playing him in that position over Carrick or whoever very seriously since he gave the mid-fielfd a very solid look.

With regards to making Terry the captain, dont think it will be a bad idea at all looks like a good motivator, but has a fan of the great Beckham no i dont want that

 

[marc71178]

But after seeing King work tonight i think playing him in that position over Carrick or whoever very seriously since he gave the mid-fielfd a very solid look.

How is he ahead of someone who plays that role for the same club he plays for?

 

[aussie]

How is he ahead of someone who plays that role for the same club he plays for?

i know but we looking at whats best for England. King looked very solid, I haven't seen much of Carrick playing for England but i dunno if he has ever played the holding role as well has Kingy did tonight, so for England's sake King should do it...

 

[Scaly piscine]

I haven't changed my views on the left-side of midfield. Need a genuine left midfield player there like Richardson, Downing etc. Joe Cole fluffed all the crosses he attempted with his left foot and his cutting inside simply makes it easier for the defenders. Rooney should almost forget about passing when he's 25 yards out in normal play - just hit the ball. I thought Carragher tonight showed he's not good enough - he just looked a liability whenever he got the ball.

 

[roseboy64]

i know but we looking at whats best for England. King looked very solid, I haven't seen much of Carrick playing for England but i dunno if he has ever played the holding role as well has Kingy did tonight, so for England's sake King should do it...

Does that make sense to anybody else? It certainly doesn't too me. King won't play that role for Tottenham. Carrick will and he does a good job there also which is why he plays there. King is good in defence which is why he plays there. No sense risking kIng there whne Carrick is much more experienced and less likely to foul up.

 

[marc71178]

i know but we looking at whats best for England. King looked very solid, I haven't seen much of Carrick playing for England but i dunno if he has ever played the holding role as well has Kingy did tonight, so for England's sake King should do it...

King didn't play it well though - he just blocked things then didn't know what to do with the ball.

Carrick has ability on the ball, a key factor for a midfielder.

 

[marc71178]

I haven't changed my views on the left-side of midfield. Need a genuine left midfield player there like Richardson, Downing etc. Joe Cole fluffed all the crosses he attempted with his left foot and his cutting inside simply makes it easier for the defenders.

Richardson and Downing?

For a start, Richardson isn't a left midfielder, he's just left footed.
Downing is injured, and hasn't had much of a chance, but he'd have to do very well to displace Cole, who looked very dangerous when he got the ball (yet again) - he's adapting well to that role. As for cutting inside making it easier for the defenders - that'll be why he was often running past them when he cut inside then...

 

[Barney Rubble]

King didn't play it well though - he just blocked things then didn't know what to do with the ball.

Carrick has ability on the ball, a key factor for a midfielder.

Exactly - King may be able to tackle well, but he's never going to create anything. Carrick is one of the Premiership's most creative players on his day, and if he was picked in the holding role for England we could see him performing a role similar to that of Andrea Pirlo for Italy - the deep-lying playmaker, who sits back allowing the others to attack but also starts attacks himself, becoming the focal point of forward play, feeding the ball to others in more dangerous positions with pinpoint accuracy.

 

[BoyBrumby]

Exactly - King may be able to tackle well, but he's never going to create anything. Carrick is one of the Premiership's most creative players on his day, and if he was picked in the holding role for England we could see him performing a role similar to that of Andrea Pirlo for Italy - the deep-lying playmaker, who sits back allowing the others to attack but also starts attacks himself, becoming the focal point of forward play, feeding the ball to others in more dangerous positions with pinpoint accuracy.

TBF (and defending Tw@ttenham players doesn't come naturally to me) King wasn't selected for his creativity. His job was to win the ball & lay it off to someone who is creative, which I thought he did admirably. Chelsea have just spent £24m (IIRC?) on a player who does just that (Essien). In terms of creativity he makes Makalele look like Maradona!

I would have a look at Carrick, I rate him as a far better option than Hargreaves. I suspect most people who watch football do, with the possible exception of the one bloke who matters.

 

[Barney Rubble]

TBF (and defending Tw@ttenham players doesn't come naturally to me) King wasn't selected for his creativity. His job was to win the ball & lay it off to someone who is creative, which I thought he did admirably. Chelsea have just spent £24m (IIRC?) on a player who does just that (Essien). In terms of creativity he makes Makalele look like Maradona!

I would have a look at Carrick, I rate him as a far better option than Hargreaves. I suspect most people who watch football do, with the possible exception of the one bloke who matters.

I rate myself as a better option than Hargreaves. And I'm a right back.

And I wouldn't say Essien does the exact same job as Makalele - otherwise they wouldn't work as well as they have in the same midfield. Haven't seen much of him at Chelsea, but from what I saw of him at Lyon, he was very much box-to-box, a la Vieira or Gerrard, rather than the sit-deep-and-defend type. He even played wide right or up front a few times for Lyon, as well as centre back - he's extremely versatile.

 

[PY]

For a start, Richardson isn't a left midfielder, he's just left footed.

He's not a left-back either though, he's just fitting in there at the moment for United IIRC.

 

[Barney Rubble]

He's not a left-back either though, he's just fitting in there at the moment for United IIRC.

If you go by where he played at West Brom, he's a central midfielder, and it's not like we need any more of them!

 

[PY]

Nah, but he is capable of playing on the left of midfield though and it's where he played most of his early games for United and also, most important, he's a 'AM L' on CM2004 so it must be true.