*Official* English Football Season 2005-06

[Scaly piscine]

So, basically, you're saying that any random footballer (we'll assume you're not saying any random human being, because you surely can't believe that) could do what Henry's done for Arsenal if placed in the same situation.

In some respects.

I'm saying given the sheer volume of opportunities a player in chief poseur's position in the CDMs team gets then anyone in that same position would have scored a few decent goals over several seasons. Just like even given the way he chokes regularly against the big teams or in the big matches he's still bound to score the odd goal in those situations. You lot seem to think the odd exception disproves a general rule, but it doesn't.

 

[Scaly piscine]

Oh and the reaction from CDMs chief whinger after that game was absolutely hilarious.

 

[Barney Rubble]

In some respects.

I'm saying given the sheer volume of opportunities a player in chief poseur's position in the CDMs team gets then anyone in that same position would have scored a few decent goals over several seasons. Just like even given the way he chokes regularly against the big teams or in the big matches he's still bound to score the odd goal in those situations. You lot seem to think the odd exception disproves a general rule, but it doesn't.

But what I'm saying is that if you placed any average footballer on the edge of the Aston Villa box following that backheel from Adebayor a few weeks back, they simply wouldn't have the ability, talent, vision, or whatever, to do exactly what Henry did in bending it into the top corner.

What makes Henry better than the rest isn't what he does, so much as how he does it.

 

[Scaly piscine]

But what I'm saying is that if you placed any average footballer on the edge of the Aston Villa box following that backheel from Adebayor a few weeks back, they simply wouldn't have the ability, talent, vision, or whatever, to do exactly what Henry did in bending it into the top corner.

Utter tripe.

Anyone who's ever kicked a ball in their life can curl the ball like he did. It's an elementary football skill to curl the ball with your in-step. Hell with the footballs used nowadays it's harder not to curl the ball when you're passing it. The one where he curled it with the outside of the foot (one recently in Europe) was a much more difficult skill, but still not that difficult because he didn't need to hit the ball hard. Even still a pub player would pull off a hard outside of the foot shot once in a blue moon - it's not impossible for any footballer to do, what's impossible is for a pub player to pull off the skills consistently someone like Ronaldinho does consistently.

As for the goal today, I just seen it twice and can't see what the fuss is about. The guy is all hype - if it had have been someone like Shearer who'd have drilled it left-footed into the corner it would have been a perfectly unremarkable goal. But because you lot are the CDMs' chief poseur hype factory you make a big fuss about it.

 

[Barney Rubble]

Utter tripe.

Anyone who's ever kicked a ball in their life can curl the ball like he did. It's an elementary football skill to curl the ball with your in-step. Hell with the footballs used nowadays it's harder not to curl the ball when you're passing it. The one where he curled it with the outside of the foot (one recently in Europe) was a much more difficult skill, but still not that difficult because he didn't need to hit the ball hard. Even still a pub player would pull off a hard outside of the foot shot once in a blue moon - it's not impossible for any footballer to do, what's impossible is for a pub player to pull off the skills someone like Ronaldinho does consistently.

As for the goal today, I just seen it twice and can't see what the fuss is about. The guy is all hype - if it had have been someone like Shearer who'd have drilled it left-footed into the corner it would have been a perfectly unremarkable goal. But because you lot are the CDMs' chief poseur hype factory you make a big fuss about it.

I wasn't saying it took something special simply to curl a football. As you said, anyone can do that. It does, however, take a little bit more than that to leave a Premiership quality keeper stranded, and to place the ball exactly into the top corner from 25 yards out. Most Premiership players would take a good few attempts to get that right - else we'd see free-kicks buried from that range almost all the time.

As for the rest of what you say, well, I can tell I'm not going to get anything remotely resembling a climb-down from you, so I'll spare the rest of the board a continuation of the discussion. Rest assured there's plenty more I could say, I just can't be bothered any more.

 

[Pratters]

All I will say is that I would love to have Henry at Barca if/when despite his alleged weaknesses.

 

[Scaly piscine]

I wasn't saying it took something special simply to curl a football. As you said, anyone can do that. It does, however, take a little bit more than that to leave a Premiership quality keeper stranded, and to place the ball exactly into the top corner from 25 yards out. Most Premiership players would take a good few attempts to get that right - else we'd see free-kicks buried from that range almost all the time.

As for the rest of what you say, well, I can tell I'm not going to get anything remotely resembling a climb-down from you, so I'll spare the rest of the board a continuation of the discussion. Rest assured there's plenty more I could say, I just can't be bothered any more.

Oh right, I didn't realise chief poseur had a 100% record when curling the ball from 25 yards.

 

[Scaly piscine]

All I will say is that I would love to have Henry at Barca if/when despite his alleged weaknesses.

I'd love it if he went there too, because he'd look comparatively poor when surrounded by real top international class footballers.

 

[Loony BoB]

Lost Causes, by various CricketWeb Artists.

Chapter One: Debating the Talents of Henry with Scaly piscine.

 

[luckyeddie]

I'd love it if he went there too, because he'd look comparatively poor when surrounded by real top international class footballers.

Scaly, you're making yourself look ridiculous on this issue - even by your standards.

 

[PY]

SP, your dedication to Arsenal bashing is admirable if completely barmy. I'm beginning to wonder if you fancy Thierry Henry and it's a love-hate thing.

I'd just like to say how pleased I am that Harry Kewell is having a cracking game against Chelsea, I hate to see people who have quality not playing well even though they are trying.

Even better that it's against Chelsea, pity he's an Australian though.

 

[grecian]

Well, personally I think its making this thread almost unreadable, every Arsenal game becomes part of this utterly pointless vendetta, if Henry scores its rubbish opposition, if he doesn't its proof hes awful

Even Shearer has not scored in over 300 matches, and he has the advantage of penalties.

Henry also creates with his pace, brilliance and vision, half these chances he is so berated (by Scaly) for squandering. SP also neglects to mention little things like THs magnifique ball to set up the cross that led to the goal for Toure. I guess if you ignore everything a player does that is good they will seem crap, at least to your own biased mind.

Hey, but Chelsea are losing, which considering Mourinhos disgraceful team selection can only be a good thing

 

[Scaly piscine]

Scaly, you're making yourself look ridiculous on this issue - even by your standards.

I couldn't give a toss whether I look ridiculous or whatever. If you think chief poseur wouldn't look poor relative to the likes of Ronaldinho then you're seriously deluded even by Derbyshire standards.

 

[Pratters]

I'd just like to say how pleased I am that Harry Kewell is having a cracking game against Chelsea, I hate to see people who have quality not playing well even though they are trying.

He should have struck better when he moves so well earlier in the match. Still he has been very good.

 

[PY]

Eh?

 

[Pratters]

All said and done, it was an excellent match for Henry. I mean, could some one really grudge him after he scored in the 18 or so minutes he was on the pitch? An excellent strike too.

:whistles:

 

[Scaly piscine]

All said and done, it was an excellent match for Henry. I mean, could some one really grudge him after he scored in the 18 or so minutes he was on the pitch? An excellent strike too.

:whistles:

You mean a good control and decent finish from just over 12 yards in the half an hour he was on the pitch. Would be nice if I wasn't the only person who can get the facts right when chief poseur is concerned. I don't at all begrudge him the goal, I kinda expected him to score - just brought him for my fantasy side this week.

 

[PY]

 

[Pratters]

You mean a good control and decent finish

Quite good. Don't know how many people would have scored in that little time with good placement with key timing.

Liverpool 2-0 BTW.

 

[grecian]

2-0, nice one