*Official* English Football Season 2005-06

[Kweek]

Wow. That was kind of awkward. Like when I talk to myself in the rugby league threads about Saints games.

Now i understand how you got to 5,500
(congratz on that btw)

 

[Barney Rubble]

When you implied that it was a bad thing to average over a goal a game against bad sides and less than half a goal a game against good ones - you made it sound like you expected a similar rate of scoring against any team. If that's not what you meant then I apologise, but that's how it sounded.

My 2,000th post - yay me.

 

[chris.hinton]

Well done Chasetown drawing with Oldham

 

[Tom Halsey]

Even when the likes of Chelsea only concede at about 0.5? You have high standards!

Yes but if you're a quality player you should be doing very well against all opposition - IMO that's at least 0.5 a game.

I should at this point add that I don't dispute that Henry is world class player, but he's not a world class goalscorer.

 

[roseboy64]

Have to say, Rio was absolutely immense today. I've been one of his critics of late, but he and Wes Brown were magnificent 2nd half, as were they all.

As were the rest of the team. Pat Crerand I think it was who said that Man Utd need 11 good to great performances to beat Chelsea and tha's what happened.

 

[Scaly piscine]

Yes but if you're a quality player you should be doing very well against all opposition - IMO that's at least 0.5 a game.

I should at this point add that I don't dispute that Henry is world class player, but he's not a world class goalscorer.

Well at present if I had to choose between Owen and Henry against a team like Germany, Brazil or Argentina I'd have to go with Owen - and to me Owen is a good, dependable international player but nothing more than that (Rooney and Lampard for example would be a cut above that), so it follows that Henry isn't that great either if he's not ahead of Owen.

 

[luckyeddie]

Well at present if I had to choose between Owen and Henry against a team like Germany, Brazil or Argentina I'd have to go with Owen - and to me Owen is a good, dependable international player but nothing more than that (Rooney and Lampard for example would be a cut above that), so it follows that Henry isn't that great either if he's not ahead of Owen.

That there Terry Henry bloke (as I once heard him described) has got more skill in his little finger than most footballers have in their bodies. His biggest problem seems to be that he's a 'moody' player.

Owen's a born goalscorer - he just seems to have that ability to turn up in the right place time and time again.

I'd take either for Derby, please.

 

[Pratters]

I had a feeling we'd win this and flop for the rest of the season - 1-0 to the Reds! Get in there!

Dont you have that feeling before most if not every man y game?

Any way great to see Man U win and Chelsea's streak end.

 

[marc71178]

To be a top striker he has to do it against the big teams just as a player would be judged in cricket.

Which of course conveniently ignores the several times he has done it in big games.

 

[marc71178]

I should at this point add that I don't dispute that Henry is world class player, but he's not a world class goalscorer.

So who in the world is then?

 

[Scaly piscine]

Which of course conveniently ignores the several times he has done it in big games.

Which of course conveniently ignores the overwhelming number of times he has done sweet FA in big games.

 

[marc71178]

Overwhelming number - do tell us then.

 

[Scaly piscine]

Overwhelming number - do tell us then.

By default it must be an overwhelming number, the CDMs play in europe each year, play Manure, Liverpool and Chelsea twice in the league (there are usually 2-3 'big teams' in the league each year, not always these 3) and I can barely remember him scoring. The only one I can remember is the one where he knocked the ball up and volleyed it over the keeper. Feel free to direct me to a decent football stats site (if such a thing exists) and show me how many times he's scored against Chelsea in the last 2 years, Manure in the last 5 years, Liverpool most of the last 5 years, big european teams and so on.

 

[sledger]

hat trick against liverpool 2 years ago, in last 5 years hes scored at least 5 times against man utd.

 

[Scaly piscine]

hat trick against liverpool 2 years ago, in last 5 years hes scored at least 5 times against man utd.

Not interested in guessed statistics. Lets see some proper recorded games once and for all.

 

[Magrat Garlick]

By default it must be an overwhelming number, the CDMs play in europe each year, play Manure, Liverpool and Chelsea twice in the league (there are usually 2-3 'big teams' in the league each year, not always these 3) and I can barely remember him scoring. The only one I can remember is the one where he knocked the ball up and volleyed it over the keeper. Feel free to direct me to a decent football stats site (if such a thing exists) and show me how many times he's scored against Chelsea in the last 2 years, Manure in the last 5 years, Liverpool most of the last 5 years, big european teams and so on.

Not familiar with http://www.rsssf.com?

(OK, the people who made it aren't from Durham, but it's pretty decent all the same - not too detailed on the Premier League, though, possibly because of http://www.geocities.com/fapremleague/)

 

[sledger]

Not interested in guessed statistics. Lets see some proper recorded games once and for all.

saturday 8th sept 2001 - chelsea vs arsenal - one goal
sunday 25th nov 2001 - arsenal vs man utd - two goals
tuesday 4th dec 2001 - arsenal vs juventus - one goal
sunday 23rd dec 2001 - liverpool vs arsenal - one goal

wednesday 27th nov 2002 - roma vs arsenal - 3 goals
sunday 29th dec 2002 - arsenal vs liverpool - 1 goal
wednesday 1st jan 2003 - arsenal vs chelsea - 1 goal
saturday 8th march 2003 - arsenal vs chelsea - 1 goal
wednesday 19th march 2003 - valencia vs arsenal - 1 goal
wednesday 16th april 2003 - arsenal vs man utd - 2 goals


and i havnt even dug out the last 2 seasons yet, watch this space.

 

[Barney Rubble]

saturday 8th sept 2001 - chelsea vs arsenal - one goal
sunday 25th nov 2001 - arsenal vs man utd - two goals
tuesday 4th dec 2001 - arsenal vs juventus - one goal
sunday 23rd dec 2001 - liverpool vs arsenal - one goal

wednesday 27th nov 2002 - roma vs arsenal - 3 goals
sunday 29th dec 2002 - arsenal vs liverpool - 1 goal
wednesday 1st jan 2003 - arsenal vs chelsea - 1 goal
saturday 8th march 2003 - arsenal vs chelsea - 1 goal
wednesday 19th march 2003 - valencia vs arsenal - 1 goal
wednesday 16th april 2003 - arsenal vs man utd - 2 goals


and i havnt even dug out the last 2 seasons yet, watch this space.

Good work sledger, keep it coming.....

 

[Scaly piscine]

saturday 8th sept 2001 - chelsea vs arsenal - one goal
sunday 25th nov 2001 - arsenal vs man utd - two goals
tuesday 4th dec 2001 - arsenal vs juventus - one goal
sunday 23rd dec 2001 - liverpool vs arsenal - one goal

wednesday 27th nov 2002 - roma vs arsenal - 3 goals
sunday 29th dec 2002 - arsenal vs liverpool - 1 goal
wednesday 1st jan 2003 - arsenal vs chelsea - 1 goal
saturday 8th march 2003 - arsenal vs chelsea - 1 goal
wednesday 19th march 2003 - valencia vs arsenal - 1 goal
wednesday 16th april 2003 - arsenal vs man utd - 2 goals


and i havnt even dug out the last 2 seasons yet, watch this space.

That's useless without giving all the big games he's not scored in.


03/04 Premiership

2 games Man U, one goal
2 games Cheslea, one goal


04/05 Premiership

2 games Man U, no goal
2 games Chelsea, two goals


05/06 Premiership

1 game Chelsea, no goal

So 4 out of 9 so far when he's basically the only player the CDMs have up front, I'm sure it'll go down when I look at Champions' League and Internationals...

 

[sledger]

25/11/2003 inter milan vs arsenal - 2 goals
18/10/2003 arsenal vs chelsea - 1 goal
10/04/2004 liverpool vs arsenal - 3 goals

also scored twice against chelsea last year at highbury, although i cant remember the date.

That's useless without giving all the big games he's not scored in.


03/04 Premiership

2 games Man U, one goal
2 games Cheslea, one goal


04/05 Premiership

2 games Man U, no goal
2 games Chelsea, two goals


05/06 Premiership

1 game Chelsea, no goal

So 4 out of 9 so far when he's basically the only player the CDMs have up front, I'm sure it'll go down when I look at Champions' League and Internationals...

then find a better record if you will, incidentily Henry was frances top scorer at the world cup in 98, and didnt even play in the final.