chris.hinton
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Hollioake is a good Captain, England management should have kept him as Captain instead of Appointing Stewart in 1999. it was a bad mistake
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*Official* English Domestic Season (2004)
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Langeveldt
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The persistant selection of Rikki Clarkewpdavid said:
The near totally random call up of Anthony McGrath
Magrat Garlick
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Look, even I know why they called up Anthony McGrath. Same reason they called up Vaughan and Trescothick despite not having the best first-class stats - Fletcher's "hunch".
Langeveldt
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But Vaughan and Trescothick started making an impact pretty quickly.. McGrath scored a few against Zimbabwe and has done diddly squat since, yet he is still around...Samuel_Vimes said:
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I reckon the selectors wanted to give McGrath a fair chance in the team...go for someone and stick with him instead of constantly changing around. Look what good constant changing did to the West Indies, for example...only now is it starting to glue together, thanks to having faith in youngsters instead of dropping them after one ODI.
wpdavid
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If that's the worst we're going to find, then I'll settle for that.Langeveldt said:
The fact is, if you look at the English county stats, any selection is going to be , so some extent, random. There just aren't the outstanding performers who are demanding to be picked, so the selectors have to guess. Not suprisingly, some of them don't work out but, AFAICS, they try to give them a run rather than ditch them straight away. It doesn't look great when guys like Clarke, McGrath & Blackwell don't do a lot even after a dozen or so games, but it's understandable.
If you want to see some genuinely incompetent English selection, have a look at the 2nd half of the 1980's. That's when the selectors really didn't have a clue, as shown by the sheer number of guys who played for the test side & the awful results. I've said it before, but the selection of the test side over the past 4 years is the most consistent and intelligent I have known in this country. Probably the most consistent ever. Look at last summer against SA, when we lost horribly at Lord's after scraping a draw at Edgbaston. Previously, half the side would have gone and we'd have gone on to lose the series 3-0. This time, apart from through injuries to bowlers, changes were kept to a minimum and we came back to to draw the series. Fast forward to the Spring and the bulk of the players they stuck with were good enough to win 3-0 in WI. Harmison, of course, would have been ditched long before then by previous coaches/selectors. And maybe by quite a few of us as well, if we're honest.
Admittedly the oneday side isn't looking too clever and all of us have 'A' levels in hindsight when it comes to criticising the selections. But for all the criticism of the "allrounders", the main problem for much of the recent tourny was the complete underachievement of Tresco & Vaughan. Too often , the younger guys were coming in the notalot on the board and it's hardly surprising they failed. But that's the fault of experienced international players, not the selectors, IMHO.
tooextracool
International Coach
you can only show faith in players that have potential......how anyone can continue to select rikki clarke when he can barely hold a bat is just plain stupid.Samuel_Vimes said:
chris.hinton
International Captain
McGrath is not that good
Anyway what would be your 15 for 2007 World Cup here is mine
Vaughan,Trescothick, Bell, Solanki, G Jones, Flintoff, Pietersen, Collingwood, Kadeer Ali, Kabir Ali, Harminson, Anderson, Lawson, Tremlett, G Swann
Anyway what would be your 15 for 2007 World Cup here is mine
Vaughan,Trescothick, Bell, Solanki, G Jones, Flintoff, Pietersen, Collingwood, Kadeer Ali, Kabir Ali, Harminson, Anderson, Lawson, Tremlett, G Swann
SpaceMonkey
International Debutant
How on earth can you pick a team 3 years in advance is beyond mechris.hinton said:
Lawson hasnt even played first class cricket yet (and hardly inspired me in the u19 world cup). If anything i hear Yorkshire have a VERY promising spinner (name eludes me atm) who is 16 now and would be 19 and a possible for the squad (but then how can i say that when ive never seen him play?
). Kadeer is pants, even i know that and im as bias as they come when it comes to worcestershire so is G Swann.
marc71178
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Chris likes to pick Worcestershire players, regardless of the fact that Solanki and Kabir aren't that good from International performances, and Kadeer isn't even good at County level.
I'm shocked we never saw Ben Smith, Hick, Rhodes and Leatherdale in there as well.
I'm shocked we never saw Ben Smith, Hick, Rhodes and Leatherdale in there as well.
SpaceMonkey
International Debutant
To be fair Rhodes is retiring at the end of the seasonmarc71178 said:
wpdavid
Hall of Fame Member
Kabir's only played one test! Admittedly Leeds last summer wasn't the best way to make friends & influence people, but he was no worse than the rest of them, all of whom have subsequently played test cricket. I wouldn't write him off, although I wouldn't pick him at this stage.marc71178 said:
I wonder if Solanki will become more solid now he's playing in D1. I had pretty much given up on him, but if he keeps turning in performances like Saturday's we may yet see him in September.
Ben Smith's probably been unlucky not to get picked at some stage - worse players have been, AFAICS.
wpdavid
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Do you mean he's been unlucky or he's one of the worse players than Ben Smith to get a couple of games? IIRC James played 2 tests - one against SA in 1998 and the other against SL in the same year. I think he failed in both, but that could happen to anyone and he certainly scored a heck of a lot of runs in the CC around then.Craig said:
Worse players than Ben Smith could include Habib, McGrath & Afzaal. And you'd have to say Ramps was lucky to get as many games as he did with a test average under 30, even if he has been a terrific county player.
chris.hinton
International Captain
Spacemonkey I think you talking about Adil Rashid
Marc Kabir and Solanki are good enough At the Moment plus Kadeer will be good in a few years
Marc Kabir and Solanki are good enough At the Moment plus Kadeer will be good in a few years
SpaceMonkey
International Debutant
Ben Smiths 'golden' form was about 2 years ago just after he joined worcestershire, thats long passed now unfortunately. Luckily for us Hick has really found form to take over from Smith as the main batsmen we build innings around. Worcestershire are in deep trouble batting wise though over the next few years, we have no young batsmen coming through (watch out for Steven Davis though you heard it here firstwpdavid said:
) and once Hick retires, which wont be long, we're gonna be in trouble. Luckily Solanki has found some form again after his dismal year. Out 2 overseas players Bichel and Hall have hardly set the world alight either, although both seem to be finding some form now. Perhaps it will be better if worcs went for a proper batsmen and bowler as their 2 players and not 2 allrounders in future.
SpaceMonkey
International Debutant
Thats himchris.hinton said:
Lets hope its not all hype as usual 