*Official* English Domestic Season (2004)

[superkingdave]

I like nothing more than seeing Yorkshire lose.

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[badgerhair]

as for Kabir,

Five in an innings on debut isn't uncommon - Cricinfo doesn't even list it, in fact it lists 48 bowlers who've taken six or more in the first Test match that they bowled it, including greats (!) such as Peter Such, Naimur Rahman, Richard Johnson, James Kirtley, Abid Ali, Narendra Hirwani, Mohammad Zahid, Upul Chandana, Franklyn Rose and Simon Katich. Point disproven.

Chris Hinton said nothing about five in an innings, you know. It was five in the match, three in the first innings, two in the second. But he was awful even so.

It's not worth writing Kabir Ali off, though. I think there's quite a bit of promise there. He could well come into serious contention for an England place in about 2008, when he'll be 27 and a great deal more experienced.

Cheers,

Mike

 

[Langeveldt]

Warne got figures of about 1-161 (i think) Neil would you have dropped him after that?

Also I suggested Solanki has a One day player, he can bat he got a Hundard in a One day Final for god sake how many other players can say that?

If Solanki bowled more then he could be useful to England, but Neil you have an Anti-Worcester bias. Solanki,Hick,Kabir, Batty you are said are crap Kabir took 5 wickets on debut how many others have done that? I bet if you and the Internet was around in the 50s you say that DOliveria was crap

You seem to be ignoring Solankis dozen or so failures...

Whilst Neil might not like some of your players, you seem to be a master at hyping unproved players up blindly just because they happen to play for Worcestershire... I wonder what you would be saying about him if he was from another county...

And Basil D'Olevira? Wasnt he just the worst cricketer ever?!! lol

 

[Rich2001]

I wonder what you would be saying about him if he was from another county...

Like Warwickshire

 

[Langeveldt]

Like Warwickshire

Exactamundo...

 

[badgerhair]

I bet if you and the Internet was around in the 50s you say that DOliveria was crap

And what would you have been saying about him in the 50s? Would you have been in the business of hyping obscure club cricketers from unrecognised leagues in foreign countries, since D'Oliveira only played Coloured club cricket in South Africa in the 50s? You wouldn't have thought he was any good at all until 1965, when he started to play county championship cricket for Worcs.

Cheers,

Mike

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Hick's an International failure, and there's nothing you can ever do to suggest otherwise.

Rather Hick is an international failure considering his talent.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

It's not worth writing Kabir Ali off, though. I think there's quite a bit of promise there. He could well come into serious contention for an England place in about 2008, when he'll be 27 and a great deal more experienced.

Cheers,

Mike

Agreed. Look at Harmison. A bit of persistence and what a pile of rubbish he's turned out to be.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

well Vaughan and the selectors agree with me here.

Didn't the selectors also keep Adam Hollioake out of the ODI side during the VB Series in favour of Irani?

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Studying for exams?

Marc has technical difficulties with his modem. He may not be back until the weekend.

 

[chris.hinton]

With Hick everyone expected him to be great, it did not Happen but he still average 31 which is not too bad

Badgerhair you are right i watch the Programme on Sunday about Basil Doliveria

Neil and the Selectors are on the same Wavelength then why in the past 5 years has there been poor players like Afzaal,Dawson,Schofield, Habib, Ward,Sidebottom did you agree with these prior to the first test they played?

 

[Neil Pickup]

With Hick everyone expected him to be great, it did not Happen but he still average 31 which is not too bad

Badgerhair you are right i watch the Programme on Sunday about Basil Doliveria

Neil and the Selectors are on the same Wavelength then why in the past 5 years has there been poor players like Afzaal,Dawson,Schofield, Habib, Ward,Sidebottom did you agree with these prior to the first test they played?

I'd hate to see what you need to average for you to deem someone as bad, if 21's OK for ODIs and 31 for Tests.

I point out again that Dawson and Schofield were picked because our spinner needs to be able to bat otherwise 8-9-10-11 becomes a stack of dominoes. Ward (and Key) failed because they failed to adjust from opening to playing in the middle order. Afzaal and Habib just failed to make the transition, and Sidebottom was an attempt at a left-armer. Unfortunately, for every successful pick there will be failures to join with them - after all, who would you have picked instead... don't say Ben Smith.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

With Hick everyone expected him to be great, it did not Happen but he still average 31 which is not too bad

Badgerhair you are right i watch the Programme on Sunday about Basil Doliveria

Neil and the Selectors are on the same Wavelength then why in the past 5 years has there been poor players like Afzaal,Dawson,Schofield, Habib, Ward,Sidebottom did you agree with these prior to the first test they played?

Habib only had 3 innings, not enough to be called a failure.

Dawson/Schofield/Sidebottom - no comment - never seen them play anything but County Cricket.

Ward has the talent but had a major technical flaw which could so easily have been sorted.

Afzaal looked very ordinary when I saw him on Test debut, but certainly wasn't the worst. Didn't he get a 50 in that Ashes series?

 

[Tom Halsey]

Solanki,Hick,Kabir, Batty you are said are crap Kabir took 5 wickets on debut how many others have done that? I bet if you and the Internet was around in the 50s you say that DOliveria was crap

In my time on CW so far, this is the most sensible post. ()

[/sarcasm mode]

Plenty have taken 5 on debut.

And all the above (apart from Kabir, who IMO has talent to be fair) are crap.

 

[SpaceMonkey]

In my time on CW so far, this is the most sensible post. ()

[/sarcasm mode]

Plenty have taken 5 on debut.

And all the above (apart from Kabir, who IMO has talent to be fair) are crap.

You cant say Hick didnt have talent, he probably had more potential than any english batsmen for a long long time (his county record doesnt lie), just he couldnt make use of it at international level
I agree though that Solanki / Batty are hyped but you can see why Batty was considering our lack of spinning options.
Kabir is no diff to alot of potential english seamers, DEADLY if the ball is swinging / seaming but if its not he's just gonna get smashed.

 

[tooextracool]

And all the above (apart from Kabir, who IMO has talent to be fair) are crap.

hick was never crap.....just failed to live up to his potential at the test arena. amazing ODI player though and a brilliant fielder in any position....

 

[chris.hinton]

forget that now

Metcheck report that Heavy Rain is coming to Britain for the next 2 weeks

 

[Andre]

Kabir is no diff to alot of potential english seamers, DEADLY if the ball is swinging / seaming but if its not he's just gonna get smashed.

Don't really think of him as deadly anywhere - only against Kadeer in the backyard. Not sure whether that counts or not though.

 

[Neil Pickup]

forget that now

Metcheck report that Heavy Rain is coming to Britain for the next 2 weeks

I sometimes wonder if you use the same site as me.

The next two weeks will, most likely, be unsettled - but the heavy rain and excessive winds are for the next couple of days, not weeks. In fact, the peak of Storm 35 has already passed Exeter and we've now got the tail end, having been rained on non-stop for the past 24 hours.

 

[chris.hinton]

it still raining though