chris.hinton
International Captain
Perhaps England Dropped a Clanger by not Picking Solanki after his Off Spin show and it was Flighted
*Marc71178 will not appove of this*
*Marc71178 will not appove of this*
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*Official* English Domestic Season (2004)
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Tom Halsey
International Coach
Neither will I.
It's a one off. Is this his 2nd 5-fer in his career? God you have weird opinions. Solanki a Test class spinner? If he is, I'm a Dutchman's uncle.
It's a one off. Is this his 2nd 5-fer in his career? God you have weird opinions. Solanki a Test class spinner? If he is, I'm a Dutchman's uncle.
badgerhair
U19 Vice-Captain
Whether England really need a bowler who will go for 20 an over if there are international-class batsmen facing must be open to considerable doubt.chris.hinton said:
Solanki bowled the purest rubbish, and the Middlesex batsmen got themselves out trying to hit it out of the ground.
It's not his second five-fer. It's his second five-fer against Middx at Lord's, the first being 5-69 eight years ago. His other two five-fers were in a single game against Lancs earlier in 1996.
Cheers,
Mike
Tom Halsey
International Coach
OK, I was just guessing anyway.
tooextracool
International Coach
ummm.... nochris.hinton said:
and where is marc?chris.hinton said:
~Michael~
Cricket Spectator
Can anyone please tell me why Hampshire VS Somerset
match is Drawn
i mean hampshire were needing only 1 wickets to win
and somerset needing 278 more runs
with a full one more day to play
i thought hampshire were the winners
but what i see is that the match is DRAWN
P.S If this is the two captains decision
then i should say hampshire's stand-in
captain is a Crackpot
match is Drawn
i mean hampshire were needing only 1 wickets to win
and somerset needing 278 more runs
with a full one more day to play
i thought hampshire were the winners
but what i see is that the match is DRAWN
P.S If this is the two captains decision
then i should say hampshire's stand-in
captain is a Crackpot
Langeveldt
Soutie
Probably a cricinfo ****up... Even bigger than the ****up that is Somerset cricket at the moment...
Langeveldt
Soutie
Yeah, I agree...chris.hinton said:
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Neil Pickup
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You say someone knows nothing about cricket, and then you suggest that Vikram Solanki should be picked because he can bowl pies.chris.hinton said:
1) He's not an International bowler by any stretch of anyone's imagination but yours
2) He can't bat, either
Craig
World Traveller
Even whe nthey called up Gareth Batty and Ruchard Dawson?Neil Pickup said:
Given what you have said about Kabir Ali, if you were an Australian selector would you have dropped Shane Warne after his Test debut when it happened (remember you did not know what was to come from him) and had been his only Test?
Neil Pickup
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Remember the utter lack of spin options in this country, and then remember the requirement that the Test spinner can hold a bat competently, and then suggest a better selection.Craig said:
I never watched Warne's debut so can't comment on that. Kabir's debut in terms of figures was good, however to my eyes (and clearly to the selectors' and Vaughan's) he didn't look like he had what it took.
chris.hinton
International Captain
Warne got figures of about 1-161 (i think) Neil would you have dropped him after that?
Also I suggested Solanki has a One day player, he can bat he got a Hundard in a One day Final for god sake how many other players can say that?
If Solanki bowled more then he could be useful to England, but Neil you have an Anti-Worcester bias. Solanki,Hick,Kabir, Batty you are said are crap Kabir took 5 wickets on debut how many others have done that? I bet if you and the Internet was around in the 50s you say that DOliveria was crap
Also I suggested Solanki has a One day player, he can bat he got a Hundard in a One day Final for god sake how many other players can say that?
If Solanki bowled more then he could be useful to England, but Neil you have an Anti-Worcester bias. Solanki,Hick,Kabir, Batty you are said are crap Kabir took 5 wickets on debut how many others have done that? I bet if you and the Internet was around in the 50s you say that DOliveria was crap
tooextracool
International Coach
what one day final?chris.hinton said:
despite his 100 he still averages 20 and if you remove his record at the oval he averages 14. i would be ashamed to even call him an FTB!
whoever said hick was crap was definetly out of his mind.....the others though are crapchris.hinton said:
Neil knows he went for loads without picking up wickets, he is talking about actually how he bowled during those innings, just because he took 1/161 doesn't mean it was bad (iam making this up from here) He could have had 10 catches dropped, had the batsman in all sorts of trouble time and time and again, he could have built up alot of pressure for the other bowlers to benifit etc etcchris.hinton said:
(Back to real stuff) - So basically by going for runs it doesn't mean your having a bad day as a rule likewise for a bowler who takes 5/15 doesn't mean he has bowled fantastically well, the batsman could just have been slogging him, doggy LBW calls etc basically getting themselves out etc.
Neil Pickup
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I've just replied to that - it was 1-150, anyway.chris.hinton said:
I do wonder sometimes if you actually watch the 'shots' that Solanki plays whilst 'batting'. He scares the pants off me. Yes he scored that ton (how the heck was that in an ODI final, by the way? We skittled SA in the final for 100-odd!) but he also averaged 3.66 (10, 0, 1) against Bangladesh.
Solanki's England Career Part 2: 36, 40*, 12, 1, 106, 8, 4, 7, 2, 50, 10, 0, 1
That's 277 runs at 23.08. Where the case is for retention, I have no idea.
If Solanki could bowl and bat with considerably more ability than he can, then he would be useful to England, however that applies to everyone.
As for Worcestershire bias... let's see... Hick's an International failure, and there's nothing you can ever do to suggest otherwise. Batty is inferior to Giles, as proven by the tour of Sri Lanka (18w @ 29.94 against 6 @ 66.00), and as for Kabir, well Vaughan and the selectors agree with me here.
Five in an innings on debut isn't uncommon - Cricinfo doesn't even list it, in fact it lists 48 bowlers who've taken six or more in the first Test match that they bowled it, including greats (!) such as Peter Such, Naimur Rahman, Richard Johnson, James Kirtley, Abid Ali, Narendra Hirwani, Mohammad Zahid, Upul Chandana, Franklyn Rose and Simon Katich. Point disproven.
Why bring D'Oliveira into this?
chris.hinton
International Captain
Solanki still averages 24 that not bad in one day cricket, but has the ablity to do much higher.
Who do you follow Neil anyway?
Who do you follow Neil anyway?
Neil Pickup
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For starters, it's 20.72 and yes, it is bad, and it'll only be consistently higher if he plays a side with no slips or gullies on a pitch free of any life.chris.hinton said:
I don't have any desperately strong first-class loyalties. I keep an eye on Somerset and Lancashire's scores (first ground I visited/family roots), but I'd support Lincolnshire or Devon over either of them in a C&G game, and I like nothing more than seeing Surrey and Yorkshire lose.
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