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**Official** England in The West Indies

Tim

Cricketer Of The Year
Are you talking about the NZ Matt Sinclair? he's been keeping for Central Districts in the OD format this season.
 

garage flower

State Vice-Captain
Mr Mxyzptlk said:
No. The Matthew Sinclair who represented Jamaica is Jamaican, a wicketkeeper and nowhere near as good a batsman.
Could everyone please read this quote and stop prattling on about Matthew Sinclair!? Lovely.
 

tooextracool

International Coach
garage flower said:
Any thoughts on starting XIs for the 1st test. My Windies side would be as follows:

Gayle
Devon Smith
Sarwan
Lara
Chanderpaul
Dwayne Smith
Jacobs
Mohammed
Best
Collymore
Washington

The top 7 pretty much pick themselves, with Dwayne Smith's selection now pretty much certain after his performance in the Carib Beer Semi (century and 3 or 4 wkts).



Not sure about Mohammed being the 1st choice spinner, but I think a spinner should be included. Sanford was the one really bad selection in the 16 in my opinion and from what I've read about Washington I'd chuck him in ahead of Edwards, who needs to improve his accuracy significantly from the SA series before he returns.
devon smith picks himself?from what i saw of him against australia i thought he was pretty ordinary and his technique looked horrible even on those west indian pitches.
i would put edwards instead of best because best has that horrible "harmison" like action which wont get him anywhere in the international arena(unless hes modified it)
 

Mr Mxyzptlk

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Then you obviously weren't watching the same series. All the commentators and several spectators (Australians inclusive) commented that he looked very good. He got a couple of bad decisions in his first 3 innings and averaged a modest 20odd, but got a couple of decent scores of that.

Also, he was superb in the Carib Beer Cup this season, so yes, he picks himself.

Best has modified his action somewhat.
 

Mr Mxyzptlk

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garage flower said:
Presumably you'd go for Sanford and Fidel then, from the 16 selected?
Given the squad I would pick Washington and Mohammed, but I was never a fan of the named 16.
 

tooextracool

International Coach
wow from 78/2 vice chancellors XI stumbled to 119 all out. harmison took 4 wickets, good to see hes finally proved himself, while jones took 3 although all he did was just clean up the tail.

quite a dilemma over which 4 bowlers are gonna make the starting line up against the WI.
id say hoggard,harmison,jones, giles with flintoff as all rounder
 

Swervy

International Captain
tooextracool said:
wow from 78/2 vice chancellors XI stumbled to 119 all out. harmison took 4 wickets, good to see hes finally proved himself, while jones took 3 although all he did was just clean up the tail.

quite a dilemma over which 4 bowlers are gonna make the starting line up against the WI.
id say hoggard,harmison,jones, giles with flintoff as all rounder
only pick Giles if conditions suit
 

SpaceMonkey

International Debutant
Everytime england go into a game without a spinner even on the most bowler friendly pitches we've come undone. Giles has to play, and probably Anderson to miss out.
 

marc71178

Eyes not spreadsheets
Not sure what conditions are like here, but Giles came on in the 9th over, ahead of Jones.

For me the attack today is the likely one, in fact the 11 is likely barring injuries to them or Butcher recovering.
 

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
SpaceMonkey said:
Everytime england go into a game without a spinner even on the most bowler friendly pitches we've come undone. Giles has to play, and probably Anderson to miss out.
And England have come undone plenty of times when Giles has played.
I recently heard an argument that went something like this:
Why pick a spinner if the conditions suit seamers very well?
Because if your all your seamers have a bad game, you're screwed.
And if your seamers and your spinner have a bad game, you're screwed.
The fact is, if the conditions don't suit fingerspin there's no point picking Giles. But we all know he's very likely to play regardless of the conditions.
The fact is, though, there's a reasonable chance of conditions helping spinners, and we also know that if there's anything in the pitch for spinners, Giles is likely to exploit it.
 

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
marc71178 said:
I remembered it was a debut ton, but not who got it :(

Good point with Fleming, that probably settles it once and for all - it wasn't last season!
WRT this whole thing: Innes replaced Kirtley last season, without question. Innes' first season with Sussex was 2002, and his maiden century was made in 2003. I remember with certainty, b'coz I thought "how on Earth did a rubbish player like Innes score a century?"
 

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
tooextracool said:
wow from 78/2 vice chancellors XI stumbled to 119 all out. harmison took 4 wickets, good to see hes finally proved himself, while jones took 3 although all he did was just clean up the tail.

quite a dilemma over which 4 bowlers are gonna make the starting line up against the WI.
id say hoggard,harmison,jones, giles with flintoff as all rounder
Harmison, "finally proved himself"?
AFAIK this is a First-Class game, so a nice little boost to his figures, but it does not prove anything except that he should be selected for the Tests.
Hoggard: 8 overs, 8 no-balls. Alarming. Hope he improves on that in the second-innings. :(
Good bowling performance from Giles and Harmison at least.
It's likely to be a toss-up between Hoggard and Anderson, with Harmison, Jones and Giles all very likely to play. I doubt they'll play 5 bowlers (Flintoff doesn't count as a bowler, but they've always thought he does so nothing's very likely to change there).
Assuming Butcher doesn't recover, this is the likely XI methinks:
Trescothick
Vaughan
Hussain
Thorpe (if he recovers)
Collingwood
Flintoff
Read
Giles
Jones
Harmison
Hoggard \ Anderson
Basically, this amounts to two proven Test-batsman, two everyone would love to think are proven, one supposed all-rounder who has basically had one good series with the bat, one totally unproven wicketkeeper with the bat, and no proven bowlers unless the conditions suit spin.
 

marc71178

Eyes not spreadsheets
Richard said:
Basically, this amounts to two proven Test-batsman, two everyone would love to think are proven, one supposed all-rounder who has basically had one good series with the bat, one totally unproven wicketkeeper with the bat, and no proven bowlers unless the conditions suit spin.
What a positive person you are.
 

SpaceMonkey

International Debutant
Richard said:

Basically, this amounts to two proven Test-batsman, two everyone would love to think are proven, one supposed all-rounder who has basically had one good series with the bat, one totally unproven wicketkeeper with the bat, and no proven bowlers unless the conditions suit spin.
I'd hate to think what you'd make of the west indies team :O
 

Mr Mxyzptlk

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SpaceMonkey said:
I'd hate to think what you'd make of the west indies team :O
"Basically, this amounts to two proven Test-batsman, two who have taken big strides toward being proven, one all-time great batsman, no genuine all-rounder , one proven gritty wicketkeeper with the bat and solid with the gloves, and no proven bowlers."
 

tooextracool

International Coach
Richard said:
Basically, this amounts to two proven Test-batsman, two everyone would love to think are proven, one supposed all-rounder who has basically had one good series with the bat, one totally unproven wicketkeeper with the bat, and no proven bowlers unless the conditions suit spin.
i see three proven batsmen, hussain,vaughan and thorpe.
in my opinion if butcher is fit i would like to see him open with vaughan with collingwood playing in place of the "useless oval performer"trescothick.



"Basically, this amounts to two proven Test-batsman, two who have taken big strides toward being proven, one all-time great batsman, no genuine all-rounder , one proven gritty wicketkeeper with the bat and solid with the gloves, and no proven bowlers."
chris read has never proven himself with the bat at the international level so i dont see why u call him a "proven gritty keeper"
 

Magrat Garlick

Rather Mad Witch
tooextracool said:
chris read has never proven himself with the bat at the international level so i dont see why u call him a "proven gritty keeper"
No. But would you agree Ridley Jacobs is? I believe Liam was talking about his dear West Indies.
 

Craig

World Traveller
I think England should set a deep midwicket in the ODIs when Ricardo Powell bats and the same in Tests. If selected.
 

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