**Official** England in The West Indies

[Anil]

In case anyone is interested...

West Indian Tears

Good article, Liam!

I can understand your pain, man, I remember the glory days of the 80s and 90s very well and a re-galvanised West Indies team can do international cricket a world of good. Let's hope it happens in the near future.

 

[garage flower]

:O At the expense of Chanderpaul! :O

Extract from WICB press release:

"The West Indies Selection Panel felt that Shivnarine Chanderpaul looked tired and lethargic during the third Test match against England at the Kensington Oval in Barbados. On further investigation Chanderpaul confirmed that he felt tired and fatigued.

Out of concern for Chanderpaul, the Selection Panel thought it would be wise for him to be evaluated by the arm of the WICB medical panel located in Barbados represented by Dr. Llewellyn Harper. Chanderpaul showed some reluctance to comply with this direction and has therefore been allowed to return home for further evaluation."

 

[Rich2001]

Extract from WICB press release:

"The West Indies Selection Panel felt that Shivnarine Chanderpaul looked tired and lethargic during the third Test match against England at the Kensington Oval in Barbados. On further investigation Chanderpaul confirmed that he felt tired and fatigued.

Out of concern for Chanderpaul, the Selection Panel thought it would be wise for him to be evaluated by the arm of the WICB medical panel located in Barbados represented by Dr. Llewellyn Harper. Chanderpaul showed some reluctance to comply with this direction and has therefore been allowed to return home for further evaluation."

LOL what a statement!

Yeah he looked tired, we asked him and yeah he was tired

 

[Swervy]

maybe i am reading a bit too much into that statement,but could there be a few discipline issues going on with Chanderpaul

 

[SpaceMonkey]

Well he was only out in the middle for about 40 mins the other day and looked like a player who had just completed a 6 hour innings in sub-continant temperatures If it was truely feeling that bad for so long and the WICB DIDNT know about it till they basically had to go and ask him after poor performances in 3 tests over 4 weeks...well thats strikes me as strange.

 

[badgerhair]

This looks very much like discipline.

"Shiv, you're looking terrible. How do you feel?"

"Terrible."

"Right, we want you to go and see the WICB doctor so he can check you out."

"I don't want to go and see him."

"You *will* go and see him."

"No, I won't. I'll go see my own doctor."

"Fine. But you aren't playing in the next Test, then. You want to come to our party, you play by our rules."

They've got a new manager in charge, with something of a no-nonsense reputation, you know.

Cheers,

Mike

 

[Craig]

My tip Ricardo Powell will play. Joespth's (sp) Test debut will wait.

 

[luckyeddie]

This looks very much like discipline.

<snipped>


"No, I won't. I'll go see my own doctor."

"Fine. But you aren't playing in the next Test, then. You want to come to our party, you play by our rules."

Missed out a bit, Mike.

Chanderpaul's reply to 'You want to come to our party" would be, of course, "Which stand we holding it in?"

 

[Craig]

My tip for England is for James Anderson to come in for Giles, although it gives them a longish tail though with that of Anderson, Harmison and Hoggard and to an extent Jones.

So they may not.

The likely one will be Andy Struass making his Test debut.

 

[luckyeddie]

You could argue for just 4 bowlers, so there's no way they will play 5 out-and-out seamers.

Strauss could come in, but it may well be at the expense of Giles instead of the previously-expected Trescothick.

 

[Craig]

And bat in the middle order?

Would rather have him open and have Collingwood replacing Giles...

 

[luckyeddie]

Butcher and Hussain have been effectively opening for the whole of this series anyway.

To me, it's sometimes a good idea having an opener-type (a grafter) coming in as part of the middle order. It tends to put a lid on collapses.

Forgot about Collingwood. Good drinks carrier.

 

[tooextracool]

You could argue for just 4 bowlers, so there's no way they will play 5 out-and-out seamers.

Strauss could come in, but it may well be at the expense of Giles instead of the previously-expected Trescothick.

if anyone replaces giles its gonna be collingwood...not someone who hasnt played a single game on this tour!

 

[luckyeddie]

if anyone replaces giles its gonna be collingwood...not someone who hasnt played a single game on this tour!

but the point is.... should anyone replace Giles?

I suggested that a point could be made in favour of bringing Strauss in to the side, however I do agree that it would have been better to give him a knock in combat first.

 

[badgerhair]

Word is that the team will remain unchanged, unless someone dives into an empty swimming pool or cuts themselves with an airline dinner plastic knife or whatever other imaginative way someone can find to get injured.

Somebody will no doubt be able to tell us the last time England managed to pick the same XI four times on the trot, although I doubt even luckyeddie will be old enough to remember it.

There's nobody who should replace Giles, sadly. Not that I have anything much against El Rey de Espana, but there isn't much to be said *for* him beyond the fact that he's quite a useful batsman for a number 8. Maybe so, but I should think even the duck would agree that Rikki Clarke would make a better specialist number eight than Giles, and so would Collingwood. Giles's primary function ought to be spin bowling, not batting.

In the absence of any remotely plausible challenger, I have no objection to him being picked. But I long for the day when the country which produced Rhodes, Verity, Laker, and Underwood is able once again to pick a good spin bowler.

Is Jason Brown any good these days, and did he blot his copybook so badly on that tour he went on a couple of years ago that he's been cast forever into the outer darkness, does anyone know?

Cheers,

Mike

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Extract from WICB press release:

"The West Indies Selection Panel felt that Shivnarine Chanderpaul looked tired and lethargic during the third Test match against England at the Kensington Oval in Barbados. On further investigation Chanderpaul confirmed that he felt tired and fatigued.

Out of concern for Chanderpaul, the Selection Panel thought it would be wise for him to be evaluated by the arm of the WICB medical panel located in Barbados represented by Dr. Llewellyn Harper. Chanderpaul showed some reluctance to comply with this direction and has therefore been allowed to return home for further evaluation."

IMO Chanderpaul has been sacked and this is the WICBs excuse. I have no doubt that he is fatigued, but they must have just jumped at this opportunity to 'rest' him. I think it will do him well and he'll definitely be back for the ODIs.

Regarding Mr. Joseph, so much talent, but so little consistency. He's still young though. I have no doubt that he will miss out on the next Test and Ricardo Powell will get a deserved recall.

 

[tooextracool]

Regarding Mr. Joseph, so much talent, but so little consistency. He's still young though. I have no doubt that he will miss out on the next Test and Ricardo Powell will get a deserved recall.

is jermaine lawson still considered to be unfit?an attack of lawson,best,edwards and rampaul/collymore would definetly be one worth watching

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Lawson is almost match-fit, but not quite there yet. He'll very likely play against Bangladesh though.

 

[tooextracool]

lol looks like we'll see another 5/1 from him against b'desh

 

[marc71178]

My tip for England is for James Anderson to come in for Giles,

My tip is don't take up tipping.

The likely one will be Andy Struass making his Test debut.

AFAIK, he's not with the squad - if so, I'm shicked he didn't play in that FC match between the 2nd and 3rd Tests.

Either way, he won't come in.