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**Official** England in The West Indies

Rich2001

International Captain
News comming out off the England camp now is more changes could be on the card.

"Left-arm spinner Ashley Giles is also doubtful for the final Test at the Recreation Ground tomorrow after contracting a stomach bug and England have put Gareth Batty on stand-by after delivering just 24 overs since the tourists' arrival in West Indies."
 

luckyeddie

Cricket Web Staff Member
marc71178 said:
In quite a major shock, Jones will start in place of Read for the 4th Test.

Personally I think it's a wrong move from reports of Read's keeping, and certainly I don't understand the timing of it.
If ever the time was right for giving an understudy his first cap, this is probably it.

Whilst Read has come in for much criticism on these boards of late, it has all been for his batting. His keeping during this series has been absolutely exemplary, and no matter what Geraint Jones does in the fourth test, IMO Read should start in the summer.
 

Mr Mxyzptlk

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Rich2001 said:
News comming out off the England camp now is more changes could be on the card.

"Left-arm spinner Ashley Giles is also doubtful for the final Test at the Recreation Ground tomorrow after contracting a stomach bug and England have put Gareth Batty on stand-by after delivering just 24 overs since the tourists' arrival in West Indies."
Can't say I'm thrilled about that.
 

Langeveldt

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Mr Mxyzptlk said:
Can't say I'm thrilled about that.
How come?? If ever there were "fill yer boots" oppertunitys for the WI, that would be it...

Im glad Jones is in ahead of Read though... Read has been exemplary with the gloves, but the trend in needing glovemen who can bat well could be the undoing of him... Glad the better batsman has got the nod...
 

Rich2001

International Captain
Tom Halsey said:
Why drop Read? He's kept impeccably...
Why not, the series is won and England might as well get some return for the cost of taking Jones out there. No-one is saying Read isn't number 1 but England need to test the waters and fine a solid number two, at least this way if Read is ruled out through injury for some reason then they will have this inngs to say oh yeah Jones did really well in that match he can cover, not oh we have no other keeper with international experiance who do we pick that might be able to do the job. Also with the One-Day series comming up England might be looking at Jones for that.

And at the end of the day a Keeper is still required to contribute to a total and at the momment 162 runs from 11 inngs (inculding Bang etc) isn't a glowing report even players like Giles a bowler who can bat has out scored him, quite considerably at that too.

I know a keepers job is to keep first but what alot of people have been saying is that Read is the better keeper, that's not a problem but everyone has assumed that Jones is really rubbish with the gloves as a result of all this, He Is Not! he was the leading dissmissals keeper in the country last season he took well over 60 catches hardly a bad record, yes Read has the better hands at the momment but Jones is no liablity behind the stumps, his not a batsman who is a part-time keeper like Dravid, Trescothick, Langer, Maher etc he is a Keeper that can bat.

At the end of the day who has actually seen Jones keep anyway to assume he is such a bad choice and can't do just as good job as Read and with his batting that would make him a better choice.

Also everyone complains about to much cricket, so when they rest Read to give him a break there is uproar about it.

However Michael Vaughan has admitted that Jones is now the number 1 keeper for England with the following quote.

"Geraint Jones is a very, very impressive character," said skipper Michael Vaughan.

"In the tour match in Barbados, he was head and shoulders above all the batters except Graham Thorpe."

"I think eight games of cricket is quite a lot and we've given Chris a long run in the team.

"Geraint Jones will get exactly the same opportunity - he'll get a good stint and start against New Zealand in May."

So all the best to Jonesy and when he hits 100 on debut and leads England to victory I will remember all of these comments :tongue:
 
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Tom Halsey

International Coach
Rich2001 said:
Why not, the series is won and England might as well get some return for the cost of taking Jones out there. No-one is saying Read isn't number 1 but England need to test the waters and fine a solid number two, at least this way if Read is ruled out through injury for some reason then they will have this inngs to say oh yeah Jones did really well in that match he can cover, not oh we have no other keeper with international experiance who do we pick that might be able to do the job. Also with the One-Day series comming up England might be looking at Jones for that.

And at the end of the day a Keeper is still required to contribute to a total and at the momment 162 runs from 11 inngs (inculding Bang etc) isn't a glowing report even players like Giles a bowler who can bat has out scored him, quite considerably at that too.

I know a keepers job is to keep first but what alot of people have been saying is that Read is the better keeper, that's not a problem but everyone has assumed that Jones is really rubbish with the gloves as a result of all this, He Is Not! he was the leading dissmissals keeper in the country last season he took well over 60 catches hardly a bad record, yes Read has the better hands at the momment but Jones is no liablity behind the stumps, his not a batsman who is a part-time keeper like Dravid, Trescothick, Langer, Maher etc he is a Keeper that can bat.

At the end of the day who has actually seen Jones keep anyway to assume he is such a bad choice and can't do just as good job as Read and with his batting that would make him a better choice.

Also everyone complains about to much cricket, so when they rest Read to give him a break there is uproar about it.

However Michael Vaughan has admitted that Jones is now the number 1 keeper for England with the following quote.

"Geraint Jones is a very, very impressive character," said skipper Michael Vaughan.

"In the tour match in Barbados, he was head and shoulders above all the batters except Graham Thorpe."

"I think eight games of cricket is quite a lot and we've given Chris a long run in the team.

"Geraint Jones will get exactly the same opportunity - he'll get a good stint and start against New Zealand in May."

So all the best to Jonesy and when he hits 100 on debut and leads England to victory I will remember all of these comments :tongue:
Yet more unbiasedness, picking Jones...
 

roseboy64

Cricket Web Content Updater
Mr Mxyzptlk said:
Err... Edwards hasn't exactly been out of form against the English either and he's about as fit as Lawson is right now. Don't be fooled, Lawson is not 100% match-fit yet, not by a long way.

He might not be 100% match-fit but he's bowling much quicker than his barbadian colleague. Plus he's got a greayter chance of being in the final 11 than Joseoh.
 

luckyeddie

Cricket Web Staff Member
Tom Halsey said:
Yet more unbiasedness, picking Jones...
I was unaware that Rich2001 was on the England selection panel. :tongue:

I can't recall there ever being a Kent bias in England selection, but there has been a history of great England wicket-keepers from the Garden of England.

If Geraint Jones comes close to the skills of Les Ames, Godfrey Evans and Alan Knott, it will be wonderful for England.
 

Craig

World Traveller
luckyeddie said:
If Geraint Jones comes close to the skills of Les Ames, Godfrey Evans and Alan Knott, it will be wonderful for England.
Man you must be going back quite a few years to the days of Evans and Ames.

Earlit-late 1950s to late 1960s early 70s to the days of Ames and Evans?
 

luckyeddie

Cricket Web Staff Member
Craig said:
Man you must be going back quite a few years to the days of Evans and Ames.

Earlit-late 1950s to late 1960s early 70s to the days of Ames and Evans?
Your point being?
Les Ames used to keep our corner shop when I was a child and living in Kent - and I saw TG Evans play.
 

Mr Mxyzptlk

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roseboy64 said:
He might not be 100% match-fit but he's bowling much quicker than his barbadian colleague. Plus he's got a greayter chance of being in the final 11 than Joseoh.
But Edwards is taking wickets and bowled around 90+ in the last Test until his final few overs. Lawson is not bowling quicker than Edwards, and certainly isn't doing as much with the ball as he is.
 

PY

International Coach
I, for one, am glad that Jones is getting his Test chance. Perfect opportunity for him to be given his chance. Read just hasn't performed with the bat which nowadays is a key part of wicketkeeping (especially with England's current setup).

However, Rich (2001) : I'm not so sure about what you said about them wanting to use Jones for ODI, I think it is more essential to have a top quality wicketkeeper in ODI than it is for Tests. It would be worth 10-15 runs in ODI which could be essential but not so badly in Tests.

Would it work to have Jones for Tests and Read for ODI? I think it would but I know people have disagreed with me. You know who you are :disgust:
 

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