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*Official* England in South Africa

Prince EWS

Global Moderator
Don't agree with Smith as MOTM tbh. Sure his innings was very good, but Bell's was far more important as far as the result of the match was concerned. Not too fussed though, least we didn't lose =D
Nah, agree with Smith as MOTM. It's not like he came out with SA well on top - the game was pretty even after the first innings. He ensured South Africa didn't lose in much the same way as Bell ensured England wouldn't (after all, the final margin was less runs than Smith scored in the second innings), but scored a hundred runs more in the process.
 
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wpdavid

Hall of Fame Member
Don't agree with Smith as MOTM tbh. Sure his innings was very good, but Bell's was far more important as far as the result of the match was concerned. Not too fussed though, least we didn't lose =D
Should've been Kallis imo. Less runs, but in far more challenging conditions. Not that I'm hugely bothered, of course.
 

wpdavid

Hall of Fame Member
delayed declaration by smith ???
No, I don't think so. If anything, I thought he might have batted longer to make an England win absolutely out of the question, so you'd have to say he got it right.

Some sound comments after the match. Smith being suitably magnanimous, and Strauss being honest about where England went wrong on Day 2. Agreed with his view that Onions is 'a legend'. Possibly our greatest number 11?

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Thinking about it, isn't that 3 innings on the trot when Cook & Bell have been our top two scorers? Wouldn't have forecast that a fortnight ago. All very encouraging for the future.
 
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grecian

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
BTW I've always loved Ian Bell, the man you'd most want beside you in the trenches. I may have occasionally made statements that have seemed totally opposite to that view, but it was just me kidding along, Bell clearly is Barrington reincarated, what a guy, and what a man.

Now let's get Onions and Swann their MBEs, Colly an OBE clearly.
 

Prince EWS

Global Moderator
Pretty much all the bats aside from KP & Prior did their bat here actually, fair play
Yeah, and Prior's first innings runs were really important too - not only in the obvious time he soaked up but in the fact that his runs reduced South Africa's first innings lead and forced an later-than-otherwise declaration. Only Pietersen failed to contribute at all.
 
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GIMH

Norwood's on Fire
Interesting fact: we haven't been bowled out in the 4th innings for almost two years, New Zealand 1st Test away from home. I've not looked this up so correct me if I'm wrong.
 

fredfertang

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
BTW I've always loved Ian Bell, the man you'd most want beside you in the trenches. I may have occasionally made statements that have seemed totally opposite to that view, but it was just me kidding along, Bell clearly is Barrington reincarated, what a guy, and what a man.

Now let's get Onions and Swann their MBEs, Colly an OBE clearly.
Quite - and not a saffer amongst them - in fact you can't get much more English than them
 

BoyBrumby

Englishman
In a roundabout way, that's my point....

1) If posters feel that Hair was right in the action he took against Pakistan, then surely they'll feel similar action should've been taken here.

2) If posters feel Hair was wrong, and that he was rightly criticised, then no action should probably be taken here.
I don't think I've seen any posters on CW defend Hair's actions, tbf. At best they were high-handed. It was more the Pakistan response that was the bone of contention

How can they say the pitch is remorselessly flat and yet think it should be over at tea. There are quite some batsmen to come who can tough things out.

Don't get me wrong, this match, imo, is South Africa's to lose. They should pull it off. However, I do not exclude a great 5th day! If no wickets fall (or only Anderson's for that matter) before lunch, I'm off to my favourite (and, tbh, the only one in The Hague) cricket pub.
To not win, at any rate. :happy: The SA loss was always a zero percenter today.

Yeah, although the other day we reviewed one where the batsman was actually out stumped and that never got looked at

I think that's what happened anyway

We appealed for the catch IIRC
Don't think we actually reviewed it, tbf. Pretty sure I said we were right not to as well, before Mr z pointed out that the batsman (de Villiers?) was actually stumped.

Also, I think my account's been hacked. :huh: Someone's made some libellous remarks about our rock at #6 in my name... :-O

And bye-bye, Belly. Those scores since his recall in full: 58, 8, 3, 72, 4, 5, 2. Not good enough, IMHO especially when, IIRC, he had three lives in the first half-century.
The very idea I would ever express such sentiments is a slur on my good average-ish name. :ph34r:
 

Stapel

International Regular
However, I do not exclude a great 5th day! If no wickets fall (or only Anderson's for that matter) before lunch, I'm off to my favourite (and, tbh, the only one in The Hague) cricket pub.
Well, I did plough my bike, once again, through the cold & snowy streets, just to watch some proper test cricket.

And I'm here to say I love it. What a match. Again!
 

Pothas

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Also, I think my account's been hacked. :huh: Someone's made some libellous remarks about our rock at #6 in my name... :-O



The very idea I would ever express such sentiments is a slur on my good average-ish name. :ph34r:
To be fair at least you did not suggest as some did that Luke Wright was likely to score more runs.
 

GIMH

Norwood's on Fire
Don't think we actually reviewed it, tbf. Pretty sure I said we were right not to as well, before Mr z pointed out that the batsman (de Villiers?) was actually stumped.
Ah you're right actually. What I remember the comms saying was that if we had appealed to the square leg umpire he might have called for the third umpire.
 

BoyBrumby

Englishman
To be fair at least you did not suggest as some did that Luke Wright was likely to score more runs.
Not sure if you're being sarcastic or not, but I'm pretty sure Brumby was firmly in the "Wright will score more runs" camp. :p
Will take this on the chin squarely:

I do for one.

If Morgan were in the squad I'd say play him, but he isn't and Wright is the best batting option available, Bell included.
 

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