Langeveldt
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Exactly, who was he outclassed by, Goolam Bodi??DocHead said:
Comes across as a bit of a whinger, oh well, if he wants to be fully English he's started nicely
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*Official* England in South Africa Thread
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Comes across as a bit of a whinger, oh well, if he wants to be fully English he's started nicely
Langeveldt
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It would be a pleasurechris.hinton said:
chris.hinton
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Just Shows what a Plonker i am
Langeveldt
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I admire people with the nouse to take the p*ss out of themselves before other people get the chancechris.hinton said:Just Shows what a Plonker i am
Mr Mxyzptlk
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It would be ridiculous to displace Bell from next in line based on Pieterson's ODI form. Let's play a game... one of these players (Bell and Pieterson) has actually performed before in a Test match...
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It seems to me that South Africans are doing rather more whinging than any Englishman over the Pietersen issue. It also fascinates me that the people wait until Pietersen is actually good to care that he's left. Extremely childish.
Go Pietersen!
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chaminda_00
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Just because Bell might look more techincally better as a Test Player doesn't mean he will have success aganist Australia. I just think that KP has the game to be effective aganist the Australians. Both KP and Bell have been given an oppertunity to show what they can do on the world stage, and who has done more KP or Bell? If Bell can't score runs aganist South Africa, regardless of the fact that it is ODI, what is the chances of him scoring runs aganist Australia.marc71178 said:
Ja, he was outclassed at the time by Bodi, who was batting really well, on the verge of a national call up, and the #1 spinner in the Dolphins lineup by a clear margin.Langeveldt said:Exactly, who was he outclassed by, Goolam Bodi??
Comes across as a bit of a whinger, oh well, if he wants to be fully English he's started nicely
The people who are griping most tend not to realise that he was nowhere near the level he is now, it's not as if Natal saw this guy plonking the ball over the boundary and averaging 48. His batting average for Natal was 9ish, and his bowling average must've been quite close to 40. He wanted to be assured of a place in the team, you simply can't do that with those stats.
He decided to up and leave, which I'm fine with. I certainly don't hate him 'cos he left. I think he's a plonker because he somehow feels he was hard done by SA cricket and doesn't miss an opportunity to gripe and whinge about it. The overblown badge kissing and stoking the crowd after the catch was just the most recent.
If we were as petty as all that, don't you think guys like Andrew Strauss & Mehrtens would be kopping that kind of stick as well?
BoyBrumby
Englishman
Rathbone copped a fair bit too, TBF.DocHead said:
I do think there's a difference between guys like Mehrtens & Strauss who left SA as kids & blokes like KP & Rathbone (& Catt, Abbott, Horak, Stevens, de Villiers, Liebenberg, Vickerman, Luscombe, Payne, etc) who are obviously Saffies and who left for other reasons.
With KP it's definitely a two-way street; he seems determined to give as good as he gets & fair play to him. Better to have a bloke who stands up to pressure than one who crumples under it.
chaminda_00
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Well he didn't bat in the 1st game, 2nd game (11*), 3rd game (13) and 4th game (2). Two oppertunity to show that he is a better batsmen then KP and failed both times. He might of had one good test innings, but KP has a better 1st Class record also (ave of 54 compared to Bell's 42).marc71178 said:
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The third game was at the death, utterly unfair to make any judgments based on that.
chaminda_00
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Fair enough but froming watching Bell's 70 compared to KP 100 and two 50s , it is pretty clear who is the better batsmen and who would do better aganist the Australian bowling attack.Neil Pickup said:
wpdavid
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The problem with just looking at their overall FC record is it ignores how they've developed and more recent form, and Bell improved significantly and did much better than KP in 2004. We won't know whether that's a oneoff or a genuine step up in performance until this summer, I suppose, but just looking at overall FC averages isn't enough.chaminda_00 said:
BoyBrumby
Englishman
Very true and I'm all for a bit of consistency with selection too.wpdavid said:
Also I think our most likely-to-be-available spot is no 3. Bell certainly looks more of a "3" than KP. Of course Vaughan may go to 3 now as his batting @ 4 was primarily a mechanism to accomodate Butcher/Key @ 3.
There is a lot of cricket to be played between now & the first Ashes test, so I don't want to make any rash predictions, but KP is looking to the manor born & Bell hasn't really done anything wrong, so I think it would be counter-intuitive to go back to Butch or Fat Bob rather than giving one of them a go in the Bangladesh tests.