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***Official*** England in Pakistan

aussie

Hall of Fame Member
Scaly piscine said:
It doesn't matter how many times you mention Mark Butcher he's still a mediocre bat and he can't field. I know as an traitorous Australia fan you'd like the current Ashes holders to regress by bringing back the likes of Butcher but it ain't gonna happen.
Mark Butcher medioce? well thats your opinion for me after he came back into the side during the 2001 ashes & had that long run up to when he was injured last year he was pretty good in that #3 spot. But you have to admit England's middle order doesn't have a strong look & if the likes of Bell & Collingwood dont do well in at #5 before the next home summer begins & Butcher starts scoring runs again, i dont think it will be the worst decison to pick him.

And for me being a tratorios Australian fan get off it aite, stay on topic :dry:
 

Scaly piscine

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
aussie said:
Mark Butcher medioce? well thats your opinion for me after he came back into the side during the 2001 ashes & had that long run up to when he was injured last year he was pretty good in that #3 spot. But you have to admit England's middle order doesn't have a strong look & if the likes of Bell & Collingwood dont do well in at #5 before the next home summer begins & Butcher starts scoring runs again, i dont think it will be the worst decison to pick him.

And for me being a tratorios Australian fan get off it aite, stay on topic :dry:
There are several players to try out before Butcher - I'd rather have a decent fielder average 30 than old guard Butcher coming in and making KP look like the world's most reliable catcher.
 

aussie

Hall of Fame Member
Scaly piscine said:
There are several players to try out before Butcher - I'd rather have a decent fielder average 30 than old guard Butcher coming in and making KP look like the world's most reliable catcher.
yea most likely Key or Joyce will get a shot before Butcher...
 

Jono

Virat Kohli (c)
Scaly piscine said:
It doesn't matter how many times you mention Mark Butcher he's still a mediocre bat and he can't field. I know as an traitorous Australia fan you'd like the current Ashes holders to regress by bringing back the likes of Butcher but it ain't gonna happen.
Traitorous? Bit harsh seeing as you have Pietersen in your team :blink:

No I don't have any problem with KP playing for England, but its a bit hypocritical calling aussie that.
 

SpaceMonkey

International Debutant
wpdavid said:
According to Cricinfo's lineup, Harmison isn't playing. Anyone know why that is?
Harmison and Flintoff are joining the squad a week later due to their involvement with the ICC Xi vs Australia series. They'll both play in the 2nd warm up match.
 

chris.hinton

International Captain
What a Strange team 3 Spinners and 2 wicketkeepers.... good knock from Treco

We will beat Pakistan 2-0 and it will be too easy at stage during the test series, as Flintoff and Pietersen and GILES will star for England
 

Barney Rubble

International Coach
aussie said:
yea most likely Key or Joyce will get a shot before Butcher...
Joyce should be next in line when there's an injury, followed by Shah - picking Key or Butcher would be regression. The fact that they've already been dropped indicates the management believe they're not good enough, so why pick them? Pick someone who may well be good enough but hasn't had a chance to prove it yet - ergo, Joyce or Shah.
 

Scaly piscine

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
chris.hinton said:
What a Strange team 3 Spinners and 2 wicketkeepers.... good knock from Treco

We will beat Pakistan 2-0 and it will be too easy at stage during the test series, as Flintoff and Pietersen and GILES will star for England
It's a 14 player - 11 bat, 11 field team. Giles, Loudon, Udal, Plunkett, Hoggard and Anderson can all bowl tomorrow along with any part-timers.
 

tooextracool

International Coach
Sanz said:
And you are forgetting quite a few things too

1. The test India won @ Mohali had players like Iqbal Siddiqui, Deep dasgupta, SS Das, Bangar and Tinu Yohanan
firstly ss das and ddg were both test match regulars then. and DDG is at least as good as any other keeper you've had since nayan mongia in terms of batting. infact he was probably better than nayan mongia with the bat.
secondly the england side had a bowling attack of matthew hoggard, james ormond, richard dawson and craig white, and really only craig white was a regular back then(and even he was suffering from injuries). not to mention that the side had james foster, mark ramprakash and a graham thorpe suffering with all sorts of mental problems in it.

Sanz said:
2. And the 5/67 you are showing us had great batsmen like Kumble, Harbhajan, Srinath & Dasgupta
point is that he did is job, 5/67 on that pitch regardless of which batsmen he got out is a very good job. and just so you know, about half the other wickets that fell had to do with giles holding up the other end and blocking the scoring.

Sanz said:
3. in the 4th innings Giles bowled for 31 overs and went for 57 runs, if you aren't going to get wickets in 31 overs, then you aren't going to get one.
4. After the 1st innings in the 2nd test, India had figured out Hussain/Giles plan and since then Giles went for 1/131.
probably not, but again as i said earlier his job was to contain, and there were plenty of times that the pressure he put on one end got the player out at the other end,

Sanz said:
5. It's laughable to suggest that England were going to win the 3rd test when only 2 innings were complete, Kumble hadn't even bowled a ball in the Eng second inning and Bhajji had bowled 1 ball.
wow, so indias 3 spinners barely bowled a ball the second innings, in conditions that didnt assist the spinners one bit. surely that would have made the difference. england were strong favorites from the moment ganguly decided to go in with 1 frontline pace bowler when the ball was swinging around and with a lead of about 130 runs, into the 2nd innings, i'd say that england should have won that game.

Sanz said:
6. Oh and SRT scored 103, 26 and 90 - i dont know how the plan worked
nope it didnt work on SRT until when he famously threw his wicket away in bangalore. but when did i say that it did work on him?

Sanz said:
Well, what can one expect from you, who has such biased view about almost everything you post on this forum.
indeed i am so biased, that i criticise my own players more than the players of any other country.
 

tooextracool

International Coach
Barney Rubble said:
Joyce should be next in line when there's an injury, followed by Shah - picking Key or Butcher would be regression. The fact that they've already been dropped indicates the management believe they're not good enough, so why pick them? Pick someone who may well be good enough but hasn't had a chance to prove it yet - ergo, Joyce or Shah.
butcher was never dropped.
 

marc71178

Eyes not spreadsheets
Scaly piscine said:
Amazing the sort of ridiculous reactions you get from a knockabout warmup game...
But the reactions in the summer to similar games were just as extreme the other way.
 

Scaly piscine

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
marc71178 said:
But the reactions in the summer to similar games were just as extreme the other way.
Yea but that was because people thought that would be our best opportunity for years to take the mick out of Aussies.
 

Pratters

Cricket, Lovely Cricket
Armadillo said:
For once, I agree with you hals. I mean, I know that Pakistan and India are big rivals (me being born in pakistan and and all) but winning the ashes after 18 years is something really special that doesn't happen very often.
And India winning the test series in Pakistan for the first time is not so special comparatively?

To the English player winning the Ashes is the biggest thing. To an Indian winning in Pakistan would equate.
 

Shahid_afridi

School Boy/Girl Cricketer
Shahid Afridi said:
Patrons 11 cud of finished the game earliar, however credit goes to Trescothick who saved englands rep.

I can imagine a pakistani test team 11 with mushtaq ahmad and kaneira both in them. If that happens, i will tell you england would get demolished. Especially on home turf, pakistan have a very huge advantage, they only need to focus in order to win.

cant wait to see afridi in action :D

any news if they r gonna show highlights on ch4 ??? -- coz i dont have sky anymore :(
same name yaar
 

Pratters

Cricket, Lovely Cricket
luckyeddie said:
Confusion reigneth.
Well if a certain user can share his name with Devil Ducky, two Shahid Afridis can coexist.

Speaking of the duck, I hope my signature arouses some feelings in you, you cruel man.
 

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