***Official*** England in Pakistan

[aussie]

So kindly give us all a break and stop referring to England as "your team"

You've made your bed, now stick with it.

so wait me supporting England to win in pakistan is a problem?

 

[luckyeddie]

so wait me supporting England to win in pakistan is a problem?

Would you consider supporting any other footy side than Tampa Bay?

 

[greg]

so wait me supporting England to win in pakistan is a problem?

Well i suppose not. But they're not "your team". And just be aware that we all supported Middlesbrough for the day.

 

[Neil Pickup]

so wait me supporting England to win in pakistan is a problem?

No, but calling them "we" is. You can only have one "we" at each level of a sport.

 

[aussie]

tish tosh. At the Oval Mgrath didn't have his slope. 2 his good length balls were being whacked for 6 by strauss, that's the crucial point where England worked out how to play Warne and Mgrath. He never really goes off form, thats one of the beauties of his bowling.

Thats so arrogant to suggest that anyway, did you ever care to look that if Harmison was on form the full 5 tests you would've been made to look even more embarrased... I would die to see a match where Harmison was on form and didn't rip through any order and im sure you would too now.

After the first test, the rest of the whole series was completely dominated by England.

Australia didn't even deserve to still be in it by then.

Anyway this thread is about England touring Pakistan so could you please go and cry somewhere else about losing to a better team?

1. Whats thet crap about Strauss hititng McGrath's good lenght ball for 6? , n when during the ashes did England work out how to play McGrath and Warne especially, did you watch the series Warne asked serious questions about the english batsman in ALL 5 tests. Your making it sound like if McGrath needed the lord's slope to be effective, at the Oval he wasn't in top form because he was lacking rhythm which was because he didn't do enoguh bowling before the Oval test. Look at what happened at OT, after Ponting bowled him that long spell on the 1st morning he stifened up & wasn't at his best for the remainder of the match.

2. I dont think Harmison was out of form during the ashes, the australian batsman played him well thats all

3. I'm not crying about Australia losing, i jst made a little point so dont be accusing of doing something i'm not

 

[aussie]

ok lads i wont refer to England has ``we`` is everyone happy now...

 

[social]

You are yet to name your alternatives (certainly for Giles), and without that, you are still guilty of relying on a strawman argument.

As far as McGrath's injury is concerned, it's the second-largest single blow Australia could have suffered (Warne doing something similar being the largest). The problem was, though, no-one stuck his hand up and stepped up to the plate.

Mate, I'm asking the question to see whether anyone can suggest any alternatives.

In Aus, we get literally no coverage of the English first-class scene other than match scores.

As such, I could not tell you whether potential back-up players have potential or not.

If it's everyone's opinion that, say, Udal, is unlikely to be able to do the job that Giles' does now or in the future, then I'll grin and bear having Ash hurl the ball at leg-stump for a bit more time.

 

[greg]

Mate, I'm asking the question to see whether anyone can suggest any alternatives.

In Aus, we get literally no coverage of the English first-class scene other than match scores.

As such, I could not tell you whether potential back-up players have potential or not.

If it's everyone's opinion that, say, Udal, is unlikely to be able to do the job that Giles' does now or in the future, then I'll grin and bear having Ash hurl the ball at leg-stump for a bit more time.

You do know that Udal is about 56?

 

[luckyeddie]

Mate, I'm asking the question to see whether anyone can suggest any alternatives.

Louden or Udal seem to be the 'best of the rest' - one's at the peak (some would say the second peak) of his career, and the other is an up-and-comer but a very good prospect, partly because he's 'different', but partly because he gives it a tweak.

The bigest problem is that the wickets in England will always leave twirlies with limited opportunities in the four-day game, especially in the first couple of months of the season - and that's really just down to the weather.

Perhaps we need a bit more global warming.

 

[luckyeddie]

You do know that Udal is about 56?

53

 

[social]

Gillespie and McGrath doing 'mighty fine' might also have to do with them playing the best players of spin in the world who don't happen to be that great against pace bowling - same goes for Kasper.

As for Plunkett he's not really an all-rounder, he's a bowler who bats a bit.

Scaly, you've obviously never seen cricket in India.

Under normal Indian conditions, aside from a bit of swing very early in the day, it is a grave-yard for fast-bowlers. A centimetre off line in any direction and its 4.

Plus, your statement about Indian batsmens' ability to play quicks is a fallacy. Sehwag, Dravid, Tendy, etc are amongst the best few players of pace in the world.

 

[PY]

53

53 years young eh LE?

 

[Scaly piscine]

Plus, your statement about Indian batsmens' ability to play quicks is a fallacy. Sehwag, Dravid, Tendy, etc are amongst the best few players of pace in the world.

On about the whole team not their 3 best batsmen. If India generally are so good at playing quicks, combined with them being the best players of spin then surely their batting would be light years ahead of everyone else, but it simply isn't.

 

[Golaxi]

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1. Whats thet crap about Strauss hititng McGrath's good lenght ball for 6? , n when during the ashes did England work out how to play McGrath and Warne especially, did you watch the series Warne asked serious questions about the english batsman in ALL 5 tests. Your making it sound like if McGrath needed the lord's slope to be effective, at the Oval he wasn't in top form because he was lacking rhythm which was because he didn't do enoguh bowling before the Oval test. Look at what happened at OT, after Ponting bowled him that long spell on the 1st morning he stifened up & wasn't at his best for the remainder of the match.

2. I dont think Harmison was out of form during the ashes, the australian batsman played him well thats all

3. I'm not crying about Australia losing, i jst made a little point so dont be accusing of doing something i'm not

sounds like you've been listening to the Australian commentry

 

[marc71178]

so wait me supporting England to win in pakistan is a problem?

You can only support one team, make your mind up if you're English or Australian, but do not claim to support both.

 

[luckyeddie]

53 years young eh LE?

No, I'm not that old

 

[aussie]

sounds like you've been listening to the Australian commentry

no i watched practically every ball of that amazing test series...

 

[aussie]

You can only support one team, make your mind up if you're English or Australian, but do not claim to support both.

here what, i am full out english, its just with cricket i support Australia but i aslo support england when they play other, but when they are ashes clashes i support australia simple. I football i am die hard english. But i wont confuse anyone here by refering to England has my team as well, ok....

 

[marc71178]

here what, i am full out english, its just with cricket i support Australia

So you're not English then.

You either support England or you don't...

 

[social]

Well i suppose not. But they're not "your team". And just be aware that we all supported Middlesbrough for the day.

Exactly.

Whilst I do have a soft spot for Boro, I also support any team that plays United.