***Official*** England in Pakistan

[marc71178]

Hardly an equivalent figure. I assume you have included WI, NZ stats also, Has Pathan played against NZ, WI ? NO.

Harmison averages 60 against SA in 9 tests about 38.61 against australia, hardly anything to brag about and I dont understand how you can say it is far from 38.61 or 47.22.

It is all games not against Zimbabwe or Bangladesh - which are the only 2 teams of such a low level as to be disregarded.

Hence it is equivalent.

 

[marc71178]

weren't you the one saying stats are everything?

Only when it suits his argument.

When presented with match results for comapring teams he suddenly comes up with gems like "2-5 isn't far off 3-3"

 

[C_C]

It is all games not against Zimbabwe or Bangladesh - which are the only 2 teams of such a low level as to be disregarded.

Hence it is equivalent.

West Indies is not far from that list.

Only when it suits his argument.

When presented with match results for comapring teams he suddenly comes up with gems like "2-5 isn't far off 3-3"

You say that because you got very little brain power to understand what i am saying. I never said Pathan is a good bowler, i said he has excellent potential- and i dare you to find a single post of mine where i have said that potential is determined by statistics. If i remember correctly, i argued at length one time that potential is definately not reflective of statistics while how good you are definately is.
And 2-5 isnt that far off from 3-3. It is a difference of 2 matches but then again, i conceded that point.
I dont see you, in your idiocy and utter ridiculousness, taking back the comment about England's record againt OZ being comparable to India's over the past few cycles

 

[marc71178]

West Indies of current maybe, but that's because they've lost a lot of players owing to the ongoing contract rows.

As for cycles, they mean absolutely when talking about current Cricket because the teams have changed so much.

 

[cricket player]

I bet 1 million dollar that Pakistan will beat England both forms of the game odis and test,

 

[Scaly piscine]

I bet 1 million dollar that Pakistan will beat England both forms of the game odis and test,

Looks like we have another victim of a Ray Jennings fielding drill.

 

[marc71178]

I bet 1 million dollar that Pakistan will beat England both forms of the game odis and test,

I take you up on that bet.

I need you to provide some form of bond.

 

[PY]

I bet 1 million dollar that Pakistan will beat England both forms of the game odis and test,

Bob, gimme your bank details mate you've just given me a chance at denting my student debt.

 

[tooextracool]

I saw Naved and Mushy demolish Middlesex twice in a day a few weeks ago, and I was very impressed with Naved. I suspect that the other Pak pace bowlers can all be assaulted, and we have the firepower at the top of the order to do it. If Showpony Akhtar could ever get his act together for more than half a spell before limping off, it might be different, of course.

if naved ul hasan actually sorts out his accuracy, he might make a fine test match bowler.

 

[C_C]

West Indies of current maybe, but that's because they've lost a lot of players owing to the ongoing contract rows.

As for cycles, they mean absolutely when talking about current Cricket because the teams have changed so much.

So define 'current' to me. How current is current.
And WI even with BCL in the team is a pathetically poor team. Its barely a bit better than Zimbabwe under Streak and Flower.

 

[Sanz]

It is all games not against Zimbabwe or Bangladesh - which are the only 2 teams of such a low level as to be disregarded.

Hence it is equivalent.

And Pathan has not played against WI, so it is not fair to include that figure either

 

[Choora]

Shoaib could barely bowl 15 overs a day at Durham either.

Most ppl would like their bowlers to take more wkts than to bowl wicketless long spell

 

[Choora]

Australia v Pakistan 2004/2005:

http://uk.cricinfo.com/db/ARCHIVE/2004-05/PAK_IN_AUS/STATS/PAK_IN_AUS_DEC2004-FEB2005_TEST_AVS.html

Shoaib 11 @ 30.36, Kaneria 15 @ 37.33, the rest nowhere.

And did Umar Gul and Mushtaq Ahmad figured in that series? if not then what the point in referring to that series???

 

[Choora]

Australia v Pakistan 2004/2005:

http://uk.cricinfo.com/db/ARCHIVE/2004-05/PAK_IN_AUS/STATS/PAK_IN_AUS_DEC2004-FEB2005_TEST_AVS.html

Shoaib 11 @ 30.36, Kaneria 15 @ 37.33, the rest nowhere.

Would like to point out that Umar Gul was injured at that time and didn't play in that series.

And Pak spinners in Afridi and Arshad Khan did well in India against the greatest players of spin.If they can trouble Indian then they might create headaces for English batsmen too.

Referring to Stats from Pak-Aus series seems pointless to me, especially when the team composition would be very different (Umar Gul and Mushtaq Ahmad/Afridi will most probably be an importnat part of Pak attack in comming series)and the playing surface will be totally different too.

 

[marc71178]

So define 'current' to me. How current is current.
And WI even with BCL in the team is a pathetically poor team. Its barely a bit better than Zimbabwe under Streak and Flower.

Current as in "the side without the players in contract disputes"

And regardless of that, a batting line up with Gayle, Sarwan, Lara and Chanderpaul in it is far far better than any Zimbabwe or Bangladesh line-up.

 

[Choora]

I dont know how long Harmison/Flintoff/Jones would last in the scorching heat of Multan, Nagpur, Ahmedabad etc. I hope they get to play at those venues.

I suspect one of them will break down during the tour, Jones is in partcular injury prone and the tour of Indo-Pak might prove be a test of his fitness.

 

[greg]

Current as in "the side without the players in contract disputes"

And regardless of that, a batting line up with Gayle, Sarwan, Lara and Chanderpaul in it is far far better than any Zimbabwe or Bangladesh line-up.

lol - you've forgotten to include elementary calculus, dy/dx in your definition

 

[C_C]

Current as in "the side without the players in contract disputes"

And regardless of that, a batting line up with Gayle, Sarwan, Lara and Chanderpaul in it is far far better than any Zimbabwe or Bangladesh line-up.

Players without contract dispute ? That would include players from the very first match played a nation - last i checked, there was no issue with contracts between Viv Richards and WICB.

As per Gayle-Sarwan-Chanders-Lara, okay its a wee bit better- mainly because Lara might negate out Andy Flower but Chanders is better than any other batsman significantly. Still a 2-man job...Gayle and Sarwan are not that much better really- quiete pathetic.

 

[godofcricket]

It seems pakistan will need to make some tough choices as there seem to be quite a number of options in the fast bowling department, sami, Gul, Shaid nazir performed really well against Australia A the other day.............If shabbir is sorted then i feel PCB would really need to sit down and think hard about it!!!! Also if they are to include Mushtaq ahmed then i cant see pakistan playing more than 2 pace bowlers. (bearing in mind Danish will most likely play).

 

[Salamuddin]

I think the series will be hard fought. England have a decent chance of victory.

Will be interested to see how effective the English pace attack will be on the subcontinental pitches........