*Official* England in India

[Kohli_fan]

Obvious troll is obvious

Do you actually know anything about cricket or are you just going to post about who you think is a troll? lol

Really excited about the tour to Aus our middle order have a point to prove and the wall loves playing in Australia added to that you havent found a way to get VVS out! So yeah looking good.

 

[Prad100w]

Do you actually know anything about cricket or are you just going to post about who you think is a troll? lol

Really excited about the tour to Aus our middle order have a point to prove and the wall loves playing in Australia added to that you havent found a way to get VVS out! So yeah looking good.

Do you actually don't think your posts are trolling?

 

[Pothas]

Really excited about the tour to Aus our middle order have a point to prove and the wall loves playing in Australia added to that you havent found a way to get VVS out! So yeah looking good.

Hopefully they will try this

 

[Prince EWS]

Guys, if you think he's trolling, stop biting. Either ignore the posts and report them and they'll be dealt with accordingly. If you think he's serious that's another thing altogether, but you shouldn't be accusing him of trolling in that case anyway.

End the trolling-related discussion.

 

[Kohli_fan]

Overall not to worried about todays match in the grand scheme of things it is pretty meaningless!

Was a good little run out for some of the guys there looking forward to the Windies series then the big one in Australia now! :-)

 

[Redbacks]

So could anyone in the top 8, T20 is a lottery, slap and tickle anyone can beat anyone on the given day

 

[Agent Nationaux]

Beating Australia in their backyard is gonna be really tough.

 

[Kohli_fan]

I know we won the title in 2007 but I will be the first to admit that was more luck than judgement heck we sent out a rookie team because our main players didnt even want to play!

Pakistan won in 2009 when they were in crisis!

It is a fun format of the game but as Younis Khan once said it is more like "WWE" a bit of enteraintment for the punters nothing more than that really

 

[grecian]

I know we won the title in 2007 but I will be the first to admit that was more luck than judgement heck we sent out a rookie team because our main players didnt even want to play!

Pakistan won in 2009 when they were in crisis!

It is a fun format of the game but as Younis Khan once said it is more like "WWE" a bit of enteraintment for the punters nothing more than that really

Yep meaningless, just like all limited-overs stuff.

 

[Kohli_fan]

Yep meaningless, just like all limited-overs stuff.

No 50 overs is and always has been enough to showcase true skill and talent!

20 overs is too much of a lottery.

For example in the 50 over world cup this year Ryan ten does Chate made a brilliant hundred against England

but because England are a superior team they were able to show their class over 100 overs.

In 2020 a quick fire 60 or 70 by him could well have been enough for Holland to pull off the upset!

It is about individual brilliance not team skill! so yes it is meaningless with regards to a teams performance and standings

 

[Furball]

No 50 overs is and always has been enough to showcase true skill and talent!

20 overs is too much of a lottery.

For example in the 50 over world cup this year Ryan ten does Chate made a brilliant hundred against England

but because England are a superior team they were able to show their class over 100 overs.

In 2020 a quick fire 60 or 70 by him could well have been enough for Holland to pull off the upset!

It is about individual brilliance not team skill! so yes it is meaningless with regards to a teams performance and standings

Ireland pulled off an upset in the World Cup because Kevin O'Brien had a once in a lifetime innings, which rather destroys your point, does it not?

 

[Kohli_fan]

Ireland pulled off an upset in the World Cup because Kevin O'Brien had a once in a lifetime innings, which rather destroys your point, does it not?

Not really, because that performance was a real freak performance even more so given they were 100-5


Upsets of this nature are far more likely in T20! Heck Zimbabwe have beaten Australia twice and Pakistan, Holland have beaten England!

Sure O Brien played a freak innings and pulled of an upset yes but thats just once and it was an outstanding innings!

Twenty20 because its so much shorter brings the lesser teams in the game because they dont need to keep up that hitting as long and also because its far easier to maintain a high run rate over a short space of time!

 

[Prad100w]

Ireland pulled off an upset in the World Cup because Kevin O'Brien had a once in a lifetime innings, which rather destroys your point, does it not?

Tbf, that might not happen as frequently as you see in a T20 game.

 

[Kohli_fan]

Tbf, that might not happen as frequently as you see in a T20 game.

Absolutely!

 

[Furball]

Not really, because that performance was a real freak performance even more so given they were 100-5


Upsets of this nature are far more likely in T20! Heck Zimbabwe have beaten Australia twice and Pakistan, Holland have beaten England!

Sure O Brien played a freak innings and pulled of an upset yes but thats just once and it was an outstanding innings!

Twenty20 because its so much shorter brings the lesser teams in the game because they dont need to keep up that hitting as long and also because its far easier to maintain a high run rate over a short space of time!

Ireland have beaten Pakistan and England in ODIs, Bangladesh beat India and South Africa in 2007. Upsets happen, it's not any more likely to happen in T20s than it is in 50 overs. The better team on the day will win the game.

 

[Kohli_fan]

Ireland have beaten Pakistan and England in ODIs, Bangladesh beat India and South Africa in 2007. Upsets happen, it's not any more likely to happen in T20s than it is in 50 overs. The better team on the day will win the game.

Bangladesh are a test playing team albeit not a very strong one so one cannot really include them in an argument about minnow!

I agree that upsets can happen anywhere that is sport, but the odds certainly increase in Twenty20.

The reason is simply because every minnow has a few excellent individuals, but the longer the form of the game the more emphasis there is on a total team performance. Twenty20 one great performance masks that.

Take care for instance and I am not for one moment comparing England to a minnow as they are an outstanding side, but 120 on a slow pitch was only just short of par, and in reality only a brilliant innings from Pieterson won the match, it was one individuals brilliance, no one else really looked at ease with the pitch.

50 over cricket of course there is always room for individual brilliance but more often than not if that outstanding effort is not supported with another valuable contribution then that outstanding performance will end up on the losing side, because the other team as a unit were better.

 

[grecian]

No 50 overs is and always has been enough to showcase true skill and talent!

20 overs is too much of a lottery.

For example in the 50 over world cup this year Ryan ten does Chate made a brilliant hundred against England

but because England are a superior team they were able to show their class over 100 overs.

In 2020 a quick fire 60 or 70 by him could well have been enough for Holland to pull off the upset!

It is about individual brilliance not team skill! so yes it is meaningless with regards to a teams performance and standings

Disagree both are bastardisations of the proper game, GF gave you a perfect example of a 50 overs fluke innings. India have better specialist ODI players after all Dhoni get's worse in Tests, when all skills are considered, and Kohli and Raina are pathetic against the short ball. They haven't the skill set for it, their talent is a transitory thing in a really poor form of the game. Plenty of upsets have happened at the ODI World Cup. They wouldn't happen in Test.

England have better skill-sets for 20/20, which is why we murdered you today, and are the champions in the form.

 

[grecian]

Bangladesh are a test playing team albeit not a very strong one so one cannot really include them in an argument about minnow!

I agree that upsets can happen anywhere that is sport, but the odds certainly increase in Twenty20.

The reason is simply because every minnow has a few excellent individuals, but the longer the form of the game the more emphasis there is on a total team performance. Twenty20 one great performance masks that.

Take care for instance and I am not for one moment comparing England to a minnow as they are an outstanding side, but 120 on a slow pitch was only just short of par, and in reality only a brilliant innings from Pieterson won the match, it was one individuals brilliance, no one else really looked at ease with the pitch.

50 over cricket of course there is always room for individual brilliance but more often than not if that outstanding effort is not supported with another valuable contribution then that outstanding performance will end up on the losing side, because the other team as a unit were better.

Umm, you mentioned Zim wins as a point against t20, it's almost like you are doing totally contradictory arguments for some reason.

Yeah and KP beat you, our bowlers played no part obviously

 

[Kohli_fan]

Disagree both are bastardisations of the proper game, GF gave you a perfect example of a 50 overs fluke innings. India have better specialist ODI players after all Dhoni get's worse in Tests, when all skills are considered, and Kohli and Raina are pathetic against the short ball. They haven't the skill set for it, their talent is a transitory thing in a really poor form of the game. Plenty of upsets have happened at the ODI World Cup. They wouldn't happen in Test.

England have better skill-sets for 20/20, which is why we murdered you today, and are the champions in the form.

Disagree with Virat being pathethic against the short ball he is a class player and time will tell but I believe he will go down as being one of the great Indian batsman in all forms of the game he has all the shots and the right temperament.

England are a decent twenty20 side but then you also got bundled out for 88 by a bunch of West Indian school boys a few weeks ago on a similar kind of pitch, and I am sure you dont think that West Indian team is better than yours or do you?

Twenty20 Cricket is far less about luck than it is about skill you are playing high risk cricket and one edge here or there in the right place or to a fielder makes all the difference!

Kohlis shot today for instance it was on, but it was very high risk on another day it would have gone for 6 and he would have been well away!

Now the point is it isnt another day he was out and fair play but fact remains because it is high risk it means Twenty20 you are as much depending on the other side playing bad as you are doing well or the other side making a mistake because they are always playing high risk cricket! from that point of view it is a lottery.

50 overs cricket beautifully combines the best parts of test cricket and 2020 enough time for the team to show their brilliance as a unit and for an individual to shine, also enough time for risks to be taken here and there but not to the point where it makes it almost a game of Russian Roulette.

 

[Kohli_fan]

Umm, you mentioned Zim wins as a point against t20, it's almost like you are doing totally contradictory arguments for some reason.

Yeah and KP beat you, our bowlers played no part obviously

They bowled well but 120 was only just off par KP's innings was what sealed the game for England had we taken the catch would probably have been a different story!

Yes the bowlers gave you a chance but then they did in the last game as well 5th ODI but you were not good enough to seal the deal even after a great start because over 100 overs you are not as good a team!

Over 40 overs though one good innings from a great player got you over the line, fair play to you and your team but I will never be sold on Twenty20 and I have always said that its just a personal view.

Zim were not a Test Playing team when they beat Aus they only recently were reintroduced to my points still stands!