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***Official*** England in India

BoyBrumby

Englishman
Pedro Delgado said:
Apparantly the team did a rousing rendition of Johnny Cash's Ring of Fire during lunch which seemed to get the boys going.
I wonder if any of the chaps are Liverpool fans? 'Twas their theme tune on the road to Istanbul last year. I remember Stevie G going over to the travelling support after the penalty shot-out & yelling the "Dur-dur-dur-dur-dur-dur-dur-dur" bit! :D

Top effort from England, nice to see Udal have his moment in the sun too. He bowled well on a pitch that assisted him, he was too good for Sachin today & then spun an absolute jaffa past Yuvraj's outside edge that he wasn't good enough to nick.

Dhoni won't have won himself many chums in the Indian dressing room tho. Once is a ruch of blood; twice is just idiocy!
 

JustTool

State 12th Man
Boycott tells it like it is....AND like I have been saying

Playing five bowlers weakens the batting

Geoffrey Boycott


Rahul Dravid called it "a temporary lapse of reason" at the post-match presentation, but I would look deeper for the reasons behind India's batting collapse at the Wankhede. To me, this batting line-up is not what it was two years ago in Australia, though the names may be the same. Virender Sehwag, bad back or no bad back, has been in poor form and lacking in confidence for quite a while now, and Sachin Tendulkar is in the worst form of his career.

Indeed, Sachin has had to contend with too many injuries and illnesses in the recent past, and apart from taking a toll on his body, they have kept him out of cricket too often. Now that he's going to sit out for a further two months, I don't think he can ever come back to regain what he once had.

Lack of quality


Greg Chappell's theory of using five bowlers looks good on paper because the team has more bowling options. But when India plays five bowlers, it looks to me as though Chappell is trying to make up for a lack of quality with quantity. Playing five bowlers weakens the batting, so you need better batting from the top five batsmen, and at the moment they are not in good form, which makes a good case for the inclusion of V.V.S. Laxman.
When it comes to seaming pitches as we saw at the Wankhede, the middle-lower order batsmen are not dependable.

The Indian lower and middle order comprises players like Yuvraj Singh, who are stroke-makers and crowd pleasers, who can hit lots of fours and sixes on good batting pitches, and whose looks and star status make them the darlings of the crowds, but they depend more on hand-eye coordination than on technique.

Nothing illustrates my point better than the appalling way in which the Indian lower order threw the match away once Dravid and Sachin got out.

Agreed, they would probably not have saved the match, but one would have expected them to at least try, instead of slogging it away playing flashy strokes that spoke of indiscipline and an inability to knuckle down in the face of pressure.

What made it worse was the decision to send in Anil Kumble and Pathan on Tuesday. In my view, bowlers take wickets and batsmen make runs. That's the basic rule of cricket. It is absurd to expect two lower-order players to negotiate the new ball, and that brings me to Dravid's mental block against opening, which is mystifying. He is technically the best equipped to open, and often has to walk out so early as to virtually do so, but he just will not promote himself to number one.

India has experimented with numerous opening partnerships in the last couple of years, and openers have come and gone. Good openers are so precious because they set a platform for the rest of the team, as Sunny Gavaskar used to do, so when Sehwag was injured, Dravid ought to have been the automatic choice to replace him, particularly when the jury's still out on Wasim Jaffer, who scored a century on the flat Nagpur track, but I'm not convinced about his abilities in the face of a moving ball.

Toss decision


The other thing that Dravid has to answer for, in my opinion, is his decision to bowl after winning the toss. No one has asked him why, though I expected Dean Jones to do so either at the toss or at the prize distribution. Everyone is allowing him to avoid answering what all of India is asking, because the toss is where it all went wrong. England made the most of a miraculous gift, and Andrew Strauss's century was like gold dust.

In the end, nothing illustrated the frustration and desperation of the Mumbai crowd more than the chants of `We want Sourav'. Like him or leave him, Sourav Ganguly was the best captain India had, and yet, for political or personal reasons, he will probably never find a place in this Indian team again.
Truths


A lot of Indian players will not like what I've said, but these are home truths that need to be told. If a half-strength English side can force them to capitulate so meekly, I can't imagine what things will be like when they come visiting England in 2007!

Boycott should have sai dthat the posters on this Board will not like the truths... :laugh:
 

Pedro Delgado

International Debutant
I dunno how others feel, but it's only around six years ago that we were officially the worst team in the world, and sometimes I still scratch my head and wonder how the **** we've managed to find ourselves at (just about) #2 in the world, winning the Ashes, and now drawing a test series in India.

It's a big bloody deal to me (and I'd venture a few others) what we've achieved over here, particularly with a depleted outfit, so you'll have to exuse a few of us if we "celebrate" a draw.
 

What-A-Player

School Boy/Girl Captain
Pedro Delgado said:
I dunno how others feel, but it's only around six years ago that we were officially the worst team in the world, and sometimes I still scratch my head and wonder how the **** we've managed to find ourselves at (just about) #2 in the world, winning the Ashes, and now drawing a test series in India.

It's a big bloody deal to me (and I'd venture a few others) what we've achieved over here, particularly with a depleted outfit, so you'll have to exuse a few of us if we "celebrate" a draw.

I feel the improvement came after tresco's entry
 

JustTool

State 12th Man
Pedro Delgado said:
I dunno how others feel, but it's only around six years ago that we were officially the worst team in the world, and sometimes I still scratch my head and wonder how the **** we've managed to find ourselves at (just about) #2 in the world, winning the Ashes, and now drawing a test series in India.

It's a big bloody deal to me (and I'd venture a few others) what we've achieved over here, particularly with a depleted outfit, so you'll have to exuse a few of us if we "celebrate" a draw.
England was AMAZING ! All credit to these highly motivated players, Flintoff did an outsanding job. While Dravid "manages" Flintoff LEADS. Ganguly was a leader.

The so-called stars of the Indian team can learn a lot from the likes of Udall, Ian Bell and Geriant Jones.
 

open365

International Vice-Captain
Scaly piscine said:
He didn't really play a pivotal part, yes he chipped in, as did Hoggard, Anderson and Flintoff (who played the biggest part) in the 100 all out. He took one meaningful wicket and got three freebies at the end when batsmen slogged away and would have gotten out to anyone sooner rather than later.
I know i know,but come on, he's 37!
 

What-A-Player

School Boy/Girl Captain
Just Tool

So what would be your solution to rectify No.3 Test Team in the World

After every failure (drawn series), fingers are pointed as usual and since the current coach had his share of drama with Ganguly, the nails on those fingers are sharper

So if we bough back Ganguly, sack Greg and Bring in 2 Bob Woolmers - you think it can solve the problem?

Also, England was not depeleted as the media made it out to be, when uncapped or infamous players are picked it can bring the best in them

The Nucleus of English Cricket is Freddie, as long as he is playing..no team looks depleted
 

open365

International Vice-Captain
JustTool said:
England was AMAZING ! All credit to these highly motivated players, Flintoff did an outsanding job. While Dravid "manages" Flintoff LEADS. Ganguly was a leader.

The so-called stars of the Indian team can learn a lot from the likes of Udall, Ian Bell and Geriant Jones.
Funny, i was just thinking the opposite...
 

steds

Hall of Fame Member
BoyBrumby said:
I wonder if any of the chaps are Liverpool fans? 'Twas their theme tune on the road to Istanbul last year. I remember Stevie G going over to the travelling support after the penalty shot-out & yelling the "Dur-dur-dur-dur-dur-dur-dur-dur" bit! :D
Not just Istanbul. They've done it for a while. Sick to death of it.
 

tooextracool

International Coach
Geoff Boycott said:
It is absurd to expect two lower-order players to negotiate the new ball, and that brings me to Dravid's mental block against opening, which is mystifying. He is technically the best equipped to open, and often has to walk out so early as to virtually do so, but he just will not promote himself to number one.

India has experimented with numerous opening partnerships in the last couple of years, and openers have come and gone. Good openers are so precious because they set a platform for the rest of the team, as Sunny Gavaskar used to do, so when Sehwag was injured, Dravid ought to have been the automatic choice to replace him, particularly when the jury's still out on Wasim Jaffer, who scored a century on the flat Nagpur track, but I'm not convinced about his abilities in the face of a moving ball. :
i dont see how anyone can possibly suggest that Dravid hasnt tried to open. Hes tried on several occasions and has clearly been less successful. In this series hes clearly been the best batsman on either side, and it would take some real stupidity to risk yourself and the series by opening the batting. i really have to wonder why so many people are desperately trying to get dravid to open the batting and yet never even hint at Tendulkar doing the job despite the fact that he has just as good a technique and has some sort of experience in ODIs doing it.
 

luckyeddie

Cricket Web Staff Member
JustTool said:
Again, Tendulkar fails to deliver under pressure. Wake up guys. Been pointing this out for years.

Yes/No - the point is that in situations like these Ganguly and VVS can deliver. Going with 5 batsmen (which include Jaffer, Yuvraj and Sehwag-who fires once in a blue-moon in Tests) is a huge mistake. BRITTLE is the word ! VVS would have brought some stability.
Don't single Tendulkar out.

In this test, the entire Indian team failed to deliver under pressure, with the exception of the bowlers in the second innings who kept a tight rein on things despite some farcical fielding. From start to finish, this was a match when the entire Indian side was consistently outplayed and outthought by England.
 

Sanz

Hall of Fame Member
What-A-Player said:
So what would be your solution to rectify No.3 Test Team in the World
Sacking Chappell would be a Good start. He doesn't know jack about coaching. Geoff Boycott's mum will do a better job.
 

PY

International Coach
Boycott's mum invented cricket. In fact, she is cricket.

If you took away GB's mum away from cricket, you'd have nothing.
 

luckyeddie

Cricket Web Staff Member
Pedro Delgado said:
I love Hoggard's interviews but my he does put his foot in it sometimes: "hopefully I can continue the hex over Virender in the one-dayers" :unsure:

Apparantly the team did a rousing rendition of Johnny Cash's Ring of Fire during lunch which seemed to get the boys going.
Vindaloo works wonders.
 

greg

International Debutant
What-A-Player said:
Also, England was not depeleted as the media made it out to be, when uncapped or infamous players are picked it can bring the best in them

The Nucleus of English Cricket is Freddie, as long as he is playing..no team looks depleted
It's called strength in depth. A new England player who didn't get two failures or figures of 0-100 was a massive exception in the dark days of the nineties. Who was the last England player to seriously fail on debut? (other than Blackwell but i blame the selectors for that aberration).
 

luckyeddie

Cricket Web Staff Member
chris.hinton said:
Udal will do better in England..... he 37 and i did say his a joke but he has proved me wrong and should stay in the team do you think Giles would do this today..... NO
Do I detect a little anti-Warwickshire feeling emanating from the direction of Chez Chris (aka Worcester)?
 

luckyeddie

Cricket Web Staff Member
Langeveldt said:
Udal today proved that you can't predict anything in sport, ever.. making pretty much the whole of cricket chat totally pointless..
It was never this way in those halcyon days before the Parasitic Telepathic Arthropods took over.
 

luckyeddie

Cricket Web Staff Member
JustTool said:
You, and this Board, are a ship of fools. You were living in fantasy land on days 1,2 and 3. When I was expressing sentiments like these you were all upset. Now look at you. Watch your language and blood pressure. It's only a stupid game for fat people like Sehwag to make money by scoring in one out of 20 innings.

And what a perfoamnce by Yuvraj and Dhoni - the famed Young Brigade. Between them they dropped more catches than VVS and Ganguly have done in 20 tests.

Enjoy your life in la-la-land
Oh, just shut the hell up, terrace troll.

We'll no doubt see you again the next time India win. In the meantime, go and play with the traffic.
 

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