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***Official*** England in India

GIMH

Norwood's on Fire
I was certainly very pleasantly surprised and pleased when I got out of bed this morning to see we had made close to 400, I thoguht 300 would have been pushing our luck after Blackwell fell.

Afetr two days, I think the game is very much in the balance, and tomorrow's morning session will be pivotal to the end result
 

Scaly piscine

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Jono said:
You give me a post where I said they'd make less than 340, and I'll give you a pie. The odds were fairly decent just before Freddy went out so I thought I'd have a go. A few minutes after I made that bet Freddy fell, and so did a few other wickets. Seemed an alright bet, just didn't work out. I still thought, with Freddy going alright, England were going to score 350-360.

Then again, I seem to be able to credit the opposition when they do well. I'll put another bet on, $10 says you've never done that before and won't do it in the near future. :)
Is that because the 'odds were fairly decent'?



Err... Jaffer was half decent at scoring runs when England bowled leg-side rubbish. You shouldn't really gamble all your money away.
 

marc71178

Eyes not spreadsheets
adharcric said:
how does someone with as pathetic a first-class average as that (blackwell) make it to a national squad?
Nobody knows.

Dump him asap.

Can we bring on a super sub who won't bat, bowl or field - maybe a plank of wood or something? Nobody would notice the difference.
 

marc71178

Eyes not spreadsheets
Pratyush said:
Regardless of whether he thought England wouldn't score less than 340 after day 1, I wouldn't believe any one who claims England he genuinely thought England would score more than 340 after day 1.
300 tops.

When I woke up as Harmison was being dismissed I assumed that they were off the field and replaying the previous dismissals.
 

Jono

Virat Kohli (c)
Scaly piscine said:
Is that because the 'odds were fairly decent'?



Err... Jaffer was half decent at scoring runs when England bowled leg-side rubbish. You shouldn't really gamble all your money away.
I'd pay you just for the sheer large amounts of effort you used to attempt to to curb your national instinct.

To get on to some decent discussion, what about Harmy's bowling today? The odd ball he got to bounce or trouble the batsman as he often does, but really there is absolutely no consistency at all with his test bowling since the SA tour.
 

silentstriker

The Wheel is Forever
India will be batting on the 5th day, when Panesar should be turning the ball left and right. To avoid chasing a score larger than 200, we need a lead of 100 runs at least.

Anything over 200 and more than a day left and England have a HUGE advantage and would have a good chance of winning the match instead of just drawing. Three match series...we can't afford to go don 0-1.

We better not lose this series.
 

Scaly piscine

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Sanz you really are dimmer than an energy saving lightbulb during a blackout.

Anyway it seems like the way Blackwell is going there's a fair chance he'll be replaced by Plunkett or someone else - Plunkett would be my preference given how many runs the Durham lads have scored. From the reports, commentary I've read it seems like India have been getting the benefit of doubt with lbws both when batting and bowling (I just thought I'd get that on record before a load of Indian fans go daft if Tendulkar cops a bad 'un, I'm sure it's fairly even really).
 

Sanz

Hall of Fame Member
On this pitch I expect India to make atleast 550 runs. Jaffer and Dravid still batting with Tendulkar, Laxman, Pathan, Dhoni, Kaif to come..India's position looks pretty good to me unless we screw it up in the morning.
 
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Sanz

Hall of Fame Member
Scaly piscine said:
Sanz you really are dimmer than an energy saving lightbulb during a blackout.

Anyway it seems like the way Blackwell is going there's a fair chance he'll be replaced by Plunkett or someone else - Plunkett would be my preference given how many runs the Durham lads have scored. From the reports, commentary I've read it seems like India have been getting the benefit of doubt with lbws both when batting and bowling (I just thought I'd get that on record before a load of Indian fans go daft if Tendulkar cops a bad 'un, I'm sure it's fairly even really).
I dont know why Moderators and admins didn't ban you with Nehrfan, Wahindia etc. But I am glad that they didn't It's so funny to see a whiner entertaining all of us.
 

PY

International Coach
You're almost as bad sometimes so give it a rest both of you.

Focus on the cricket rather than yourselves.
 

silentstriker

The Wheel is Forever
You're almost as bad sometimes so give it a rest both of you.

Focus on the cricket rather than yourselves.
WHAT? No, please keep it going. This little 'my **** is bigger than yours' spat is quite entertaining.
 

Pratters

Cricket, Lovely Cricket
The cricket is entertaining enough IMO Mr. Silentstriker (for people who enjoy a battling test match).
 

Sanz

Hall of Fame Member
PY said:
You're almost as bad sometimes so give it a rest both of you.

Focus on the cricket rather than yourselves.
Highlighted part was the keyword there. ;) With Scaly there is no such luxury.:laugh: :laugh:
 

luckyeddie

Cricket Web Staff Member
marc71178 said:
Nobody knows.

Dump him asap.

Can we bring on a super sub who won't bat, bowl or field - maybe a plank of wood or something? Nobody would notice the difference.
I think he's still on the 'A' tour.

;)
 

TT Boy

Hall of Fame Member
I think the game is well poised at the moment and tomorrows first session will be a key into who will win this game. If England fail to make any inroads by lunch, then there can kiss this game away and just hope Dravid will bat all day in the same manner he did today.

Also I think its likely considering the way the tail played today that India will go into the next test match with 5 bowlers.
 

silentstriker

The Wheel is Forever
TT Boy said:
Also I think its likely considering the way the tail played today that India will go into the next test match with 5 bowlers.
I think its almost guaranteed. Kaif will be gone, replaced by Chawla, and more likely Munaf Patel.

However, if Yuvraj is fit, then they might still go with four bowlers. I don't really see how you can keep any of the other batsman out.

Sehwag: Can't drop
Jaffer: Can't drop (After the disaster when going with no specialist opener)
Tendulkar: LOL*
Laxman: Can't drop
Dravid: Can't drop
Yuvraj: Can't drop considering his current form

*If any selector so much as hints as that, there would be literal beheadings at the BCCI office...even if his drop is justified....if you think dropping Ganguly created a firestorm...
 
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Pratters

Cricket, Lovely Cricket
Here is what I wrote in my blog -

One word which charecterises this English team and separates it from teams of the past is fight. Whatever the match situation, whatever the crisis situation, the team will give it their best shot. A sharp contrast to the frequent collapses we saw from English teams of the past. You will say that they did collapse in Pakistan but that was a one off rather than a norm.

I doubt if any one expected England to fight back the way they did after being down 246/7 at the end of day 1. No one certainly expected them to end up with 393. Bravo Paul Collingwood. He showed a few English batsmen who let a situation of advantage (winning the toss and thus having India to bat last on a crumbling pitch) slip the worth of staying at the wicket and limiting stroke play for the larger team cause. The support from the tail was admirable. It highlighted that word again - fight.

Of course the highlight of the match so far has been the youngsters coming to the party. If it was Alastair Cook showing common sense yesterday and Sreesanth showing that he has loads of talent, swinging ability (not related to his break dance ability) and yes, common sense. Its funny how in test cricket loads of talent means nothing if you do not have common sense. You don’t need to be flashy, you don’t need to be a Sachin Tendulkar or a Brian Lara. You can be a Paul Collingwood, a Sreesanth or a Alastair Cook and still do a good job. The saying - test cricket is as much played in the head as in the field - is very true.

Coming back to today - I have a strong feeling we are seeing the future of both these teams in this match. If Suresh Raina and Piyush Chawla get a run later on in the series, it might well be looked back as the series where certain people showed their mettle for the first time. Like India in Pakistan(1989) is looked back upon for instance.

Two more stars shined today. While Steve Harmison and Andrew Flintoff could not do a good enough job to help Monty Panesar strangle the batsmen at the other end, Panesar showed enough talent in his short spell. He is patient. He has variation. And he can keep coming back at you. The English fans will be delighted. Ashley Giles might be a tad concerned. Blackwell wasn’t expected and could not put any pressure.

After Sehwag drove too early, fooled by the slower ball from Hoggard, into the hands of Pieterson, the Indians were standing on thin ice. Another wicket would mean staring at trouble. Chasing any thing above 250 batting last is going to be tough on this pitch. With Panesar bowling some testing stuff, it was a crucial period to last. Luckily for India, they had exactly the men for the task.

I have been a fan of Wasim Jaffer from before he was first selected for India. So it was a delight to see him make an unbeaten 73. He batted with assurance, patience and authority - all at the same time. Jaffer and Dravid left several balls; played only when they felt the delivery could be scored off or a defensive shot was necessary. Dean Jones rightly said during commentary that it is important to leave balls as much as to play them to make big scores in cricket. It is no surprise then than Wasim Jaffer has made big scores domestically and Dravid has done the same internationally.

The match is rivettingly poised with India at 136/1. India would want a lead of at least around 75-100 to feel safe. England will be looking to restrict India, realistically, to a lead of not more than 50.

On a slightly different note, Chappell has spoken up on Ganguly and Ganguly has reported it to the BCCI. Why should Chappell speak on this? He wasn’t required to. Chappell and Ganguly have always been controversial individuals. So once they get entangled in a controversy, it will continue. If one of them stops stirring, the other man will start off.
 

kvemuri

U19 12th Man
honestbharani said:
The Indian tradition of allowing tailenders to perform miracles continues. :(
Quality pace bowling..thats we need quality pace, Wasim and Waqar used to mop the tail up and thats we need.
 

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