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[albo97056]

So we can give Prior a run of 8 games without any sucess but we ditch hoggrard after two poor games in 3 years and a wealth of expierience.. that makes sense

 

[Barney Rubble]

So we can give Prior a run of 8 games without any sucess but we ditch hoggrard after two poor games in 3 years and a wealth of expierience.. that makes sense

Comparing the two is a futile exercise, they're completely different matters. Prior has been given a run of 8 games because of injuries and absences. He wouldn't be in the first-choice side unless Jones was dropped.

I'm in favour of Hoggard getting another shot in ODIs - but I'd certainly say that I don't expect him to perform too well if he does get one. He's just not an ODI player, for whatever reason. That's not me writing him off, though - if he does get another shot he might end up impressing, it's not like we've got anything to lose.

 

[albo97056]

Comparing the two is a futile exercise, they're completely different matters. Prior has been given a run of 8 games because of injuries and absences. He wouldn't be in the first-choice side unless Jones was dropped.

I'm in favour of Hoggard getting another shot in ODIs - but I'd certainly say that I don't expect him to perform too well if he does get one. He's just not an ODI player, for whatever reason. That's not me writing him off, though - if he does get another shot he might end up impressing, it's not like we've got anything to lose.

Its a fair point, though theres been just as many injuries to the bowlers as ther have batsmen..
It just seems nonsensical to bring in all these players from the a sides in the caribbean when hoggard was out there already and has played the last 3 tests, is ready for them, knows the conditions and has a lot of expierience...

 

[Barney Rubble]

Its a fair point, though theres been just as many injuries to the bowlers as ther have batsmen..
It just seems nonsensical to bring in all these players from the a sides in the caribbean when hoggard was out there already and has played the last 3 tests, is ready for them, knows the conditions and has a lot of expierience...

My point about Prior didn't really have any relevance to Hoggard - just saying that the fact Prior has had 8 games doesn't really show anything in terms of what the selectors are thinking.

And yeah, I agree re: Hoggard, I'd play him - all I was saying was I wouldn't expect much of him, it'd just be an experiment.

 

[albo97056]

so will there be a different side out tommorow or will england go with the same team? Surely there has to be some changes after two straight losses.. maybe batty in for a seamer..

 

[Barney Rubble]

so will there be a different side out tommorow or will england go with the same team? Surely there has to be some changes after two straight losses.. maybe batty in for a seamer..

It sounds like it's set to be a very flat track in Goa - I wouldn't be too surprised if either Batty or Hoggard comes in for Kabir after his horror show on Friday. Probably Batty, realistically, given his ability with the bat - but then again, on a flat track, I wouldn't trust him with the ball.

Personally I'd like to see Bell in at three ahead of Shah - I don't see what Shah did to get in ahead of him in the first place, really. Tests are a different game, and Bell has been waiting for his ODI chance for ages.

 

[albo97056]

my team would be:
Strauss
Bell
Shah
Pietersen
Flintoff
Collingwood
Jones
Blackwell
Plunkett
Batty
Hoggard

 

[open365]

so will there be a different side out tommorow or will england go with the same team? Surely there has to be some changes after two straight losses.. maybe batty in for a seamer..

Oh god! Not 2 loses in a row!!!!

This is the kind of over-reacting throught process that plauged England in the past, 2 loses should not be cause to change the side.

And your side, why the hell does Plunket get in ahead of Anderson?

 

[albo97056]

Oh god! Not 2 loses in a row!!!!

This is the kind of over-reacting throught process that plauged England in the past, 2 loses should not be cause to change the side.

And your side, why the hell does Plunket get in ahead of Anderson?

well that would hav been my side from the start.. but i think plunkett is one whos goin to improve and needs time in the team.. anderson just misses out for me but its a tough call... i think we need the extra spin option after how well blackwell has bowled

 

[TheEpic]

Hoggard definitely DOES deserve another chance in the OD side, especially considering the depth of injuries England have at the moment.

He showed against India that he has developed an excellent slower delivery, extremely useful in the one day format. He also, (for the first time I'd ever seen), bowled a series of shorter deliveries, which he was able to trouble Sehwag with.

Also, I've gotta feel that unless he goes for a heck of a lot, that he bowls at least 8 overs up top without change, which takes advantage of batsmen being unwilling to play big shots early on and also use the bit of swing that there may be. That gives him a couple of overs a bit later in the innings if required, and if he gets carted then it isn't a disaster.

I'm not promising that it will work, but I think Hoggard has done enough in the last 12 months to warrant another chance.

 

[open365]

well that would hav been my side from the start.. but i think plunkett is one whos goin to improve and needs time in the team.. anderson just misses out for me but its a tough call... i think we need the extra spin option after how well blackwell has bowled

Have you ever watched Batty bowl?

 

[albo97056]

Have you ever watched Batty bowl?

have you ever watched blackwell bowl?
Hes been rubbish up til now, but his spin has been the best of all our bowling in this series so why not give another spinner a go? Its going to favour them.. this pitch in goa is likely to be pretty flat for the likes of anderson..

 

[kvemuri]

Oh god! Not 2 loses in a row!!!!

This is the kind of over-reacting throught process that plauged England in the past, 2 loses should not be cause to change the side.

And your side, why the hell does Plunket get in ahead of Anderson?

Anderson is definitely a good bowler in ODIs and Plunkett bowled admirably well in last match, he had figures of what 5-3-7-2 or something crazy like that. If any changes are to be made for the third ODI then Hoggard for Ali and Solanki for Prior and maybe Bell for Shah (but two failures don't constitue anything, if Shah fails again then he can be replaced with Bell, hence a maybe here).

One thing that has been in my mind, Blackwell is considered to be a big thumper of the ball. Few years ago he definitely displayed that temperament with a fighting 88 of 60 odd balls, why don't England think of experimenting a bit and if a wkt falls early take advantage of the power play situation and Blackwell in. He is anyhow a hit/miss kinda player but if given more chances at the top order in ODIs he might just give the kind of option that Pathan gives to India with his big hitting capabilities in the long run.

 

[albo97056]

Anderson is definitely a good bowler in ODIs and Plunkett bowled admirably well in last match, he had figures of what 5-3-7-2 or something crazy like that. If any changes are to be made for the third ODI then Hoggard for Ali and Solanki for Prior and maybe Bell for Shah (but two failures don't constitue anything, if Shah fails again then he can be replaced with Bell, hence a maybe here).

One thing that has been in my mind, Blackwell is considered to be a big thumper of the ball. Few years ago he definitely displayed that temperament with a fighting 88 of 60 odd balls, why don't England think of experimenting a bit and if a wkt falls early take advantage of the power play situation and Blackwell in. He is anyhow a hit/miss kinda player but if given more chances at the top order in ODIs he might just give the kind of option that Pathan gives to India with his big hitting capabilities in the long run.

yes, england definitely dont experiment enough with their order.. its far too rigid..If we start well say 60-1, why not bring in blackwell or even pietersen or flintoff... we dont press home any advantages in the odis.

 

[open365]

One thing that has been in my mind, Blackwell is considered to be a big thumper of the ball. Few years ago he definitely displayed that temperament with a fighting 88 of 60 odd balls, why don't England think of experimenting a bit and if a wkt falls early take advantage of the power play situation and Blackwell in. He is anyhow a hit/miss kinda player but if given more chances at the top order in ODIs he might just give the kind of option that Pathan gives to India with his big hitting capabilities in the long run.

I wouldn't mind seeing that, especialy if England are stuck in a rut.

 

[kvemuri]

yes, england definitely dont experiment enough with their order.. its far too rigid..If we start well say 60-1, why not bring in blackwell or even pietersen or flintoff... we dont press home any advantages in the odis.

Rather than KP or Freddie, Blackwell seems to be an ideal option at 3 for England especially when runs are needed at a quick pace. Cause if KP/Freddie are done in early the opposition smells blood immediately with Blackwell England lose nothing if he falls early.

 

[kvemuri]

From an Indian point of view, I think we should think of playing Powar up the order too, to add another option. Powar is considered to be a big hitter, so moving him up the ranks will give India another additional slogger in the shorter version of the game.

Well Powar's batting is more of an experimental value anyways. More than him I am starting to worry about Kaif, he is an excellent batsman stuck in a horrible rut. Hope he can turn it around quickly.

 

[albo97056]

Powar was quite impressive in the last game.. seems to turn it quite a lot...I spose he doesnt ussually get much of a chance what with baj and kumble in the tests...

 

[ramu]

kick out kaif, yuvraj and sehwag

Powar was quite impressive in the last game.. seems to turn it quite a lot...I spose he doesnt ussually get much of a chance what with baj and kumble in the tests...[/QUOTE






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[ramu]

Yeh thats fair enough... there needs to be some expierience in this side.. theres too many young inexpierienced played to cope with such a good batting order like indias.
kabir anderson and plunkett is too many...

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